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Immigrant pupils ‘lack specialist help with English’
ANDREW DENHOLM, Education CorrespondentMay 13 2008

Thousands of pupils at schools in Glasgow who have difficulty with English have no specialist classroom help.

In a report, officials at Glasgow City Council revealed about 30% of the 9500 children whose parents are migrant workers, asylum seekers or refugees are not getting the support required.

The problem has arisen because of the rapid rise in the numbers involved - 3000 foreign national children have enrolled in schools since 2005 from more than 100 countries speaking 86 languages.

The council employs 140 specialist staff at a cost of over £5m, but resources for support services have not been increased in recent years.

Officials have called on the Scottish Government to provide extra money and the council has drawn up plans to re-organise its services. A report outlining the changes will go to the council's executive committee on Friday.

The report states: "The distribution of bilingual teachers is inequitable and not a good use of council staffing resources."

The plans suggest allocating staff to the New Learning Communities under which social work, education and health services are organised - and then deployed to respond to local needs.

Gordon Matheson, education spokesman for Glasgow City Council, said: "We need to change how we allocate and organise this service to better meet recent population changes in this increasingly diverse city."

Willie Hart, secretary of the Glasgow branch of the Educational Institute of Scotland, said: "This service should not be taken forward by redistributing current resources alone, but by considerable investment.

"Additional funding has to come from the Scottish Government."


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Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:01pm Mon 12 May 08
Immigrant pupils ‘lack specialist help with English’

Well I never , who would have thought it.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:06pm Mon 12 May 08
'' the numbers involved - 3000 foreign national children have enrolled in schools since 2005 from more than 100 countries speaking 86 languages.''

The lefty, multicultural, diehard zealots have turned Scotland into a '' Polyglot boarding house for the riff raff of the world '' as Teddy Rooselvelt said.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:08pm Mon 12 May 08
''The council employs 140 specialist staff at a cost of over £5m''

Scottish taxpayers money, nice work if you can get it.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:11pm Mon 12 May 08
''Additional funding has to come from the Scottish Government."

Why. The liebour cooncil brought the immigrants here and they want the Scots Governmeent to clean up the mess.

Posted by: fraserkelly, singapore on 1:20am Tue 13 May 08
funny enough I get no specialist help with mandarin.
I can pay for it if i wish.
so can immigrants to UK
end of story.
Posted by: Lobeydosser, Woodlands Road on 5:18am Tue 13 May 08
The article is not clear enough, I though overseas pupils had to do a 3 month English course before they went to normal state school and there after they got some post school support.

I could see a problem with some kids in a class not speaking English and a load of translators floating about them - there might not be enough room.
Posted by: Olivia, Glasgow on 2:44pm Tue 13 May 08
Lobeydosser,

You're absolutely right in explaining what is supposed to happen. Unfortunately however, the specialist units are full to capacity and so the children, who have by law to be schooled, simply have to be enrolled in a normal school and the teacher left to cope as best as they can with them.

Not an ideal situation for anybody and vastly increased resources need to be made available to support schools in areas with high immigrant populations.
Posted by: GladS, Glasgow on 3:41pm Tue 13 May 08
I can see the need for children who have come here as refugees and asylums seekers and need extra tuition in English, but the children of migrant workers? The article states:
Officials have called on the Scottish Government to provide extra money and the council has drawn up plans to re-organise its services. A report outlining the changes will go to the council's executive committee on Friday. The report states: "The distribution of bilingual teachers is inequitable and not a good use of council staffing resources."

What about bilingual teachers for Deaf Scottish children? Where are they? What funds are being made available for teaching Deaf Scottish children in BSL? Why do the authorities not do more? Is it because Deaf people cannot shout about their issues? And for tohse who think this is a pun - it is not.

Posted by: Lobeydosser, Woodlands Road on 8:48pm Tue 13 May 08
Thanks Olivia, I was not aware of the scale of the problem.

I do know of a Polish teacher whose English is excellent working a food processing factory, a bit of a waste of excellent talent. But unfortunately I am sure there are quite a few like that earning about £6 an hour. So if the educators can get round HR departments in some factories and persuade them to release teachers, they may come up with some extra resource - providing it can be properly funded.
Posted by: BLOCKEM, Glasgow on 10:59pm Tue 13 May 08
Wee calculation.

9,500 immigrant schoolchildren in Glasgow.

30 immigrant schoolchildren make up one school class.

316 classrooms required to accommodate 9,500 immigrant schoolchildren.

Say, 20 classrooms per school.

Phew - we need to build 16 new schools in Glasgow
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:12pm Tue 13 May 08
Blockem

All the rich parents are taking their kids out of the comprehensives and putting them in private schools. The same mistakes that happened in America, England, France and Holland will happen here. As night follows day. it will happen. You can be rest assurred of that

Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:13pm Tue 13 May 08
''There's none so blind as those who will not see.''
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:36pm Tue 13 May 08
Blockem

This will be my last comment on the herald. IM BORED.
The herald and Scotland is infested by lefty liberals and do gooders and multicultural zealos. Its very very very depressing to read these middle class twits wittering on and on and on about how wonderful the '' multicultural society'' is. They never talk about practicallities, like where is the money going to come from. Its beyond their ken.

Multiculturalism means many cultures, A recipe for disaster. A tower of Babel.

Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:39pm Tue 13 May 08
''In this country in fifteen or twenty years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man." I can already hear the chorus of execration.''

Enoch Powell 1968
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:42pm Tue 13 May 08
'' itis like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre.''

Enoch Powell
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:51pm Tue 13 May 08
Blockem , Scunnert and myself are the people who are on the same wavelength. The rest who post bland comments are the sheep.
We are tilting at windmills. So Im going to do a Pontius Pilate and wash my hands of the lefty herald. IM BORED.
Posted by: BLOCKEM, Glasgow on 12:55am Wed 14 May 08
Wullie ....

Too many wee councillors, MSPs, MPs sitting in their wee offices, tremblin‘ in their shoes, terrified to speak out in case they get called racists. The lefties have been using the racist threat for years and it’s been working.
UKIP and the BNP will start to challenge the wee political fearties for their wee offices and big salary and expense accounts. (It‘s already happening in London - even George Galloway admits it) The present situation cannot continue. When the wee fearties see their cushy jobs and money under threat, they’ll be forced to make a move. Somewhere people have got to get up off their ars*s and complain - although as I‘ve already said on this forum - if parents will not stand up and fight for their own kids - we would be as well giving the immigrants our bloody country - for free as usual

You’ll be back Wullie. You’re needed here.
Posted by: alicmurray, Glasgow on 3:50pm Thu 15 May 08
The labour party councillors who brought these foreigners to Glasgow should be surcharged to pay for them.
Posted by: Corrupt EU, Fife on 11:21am Fri 16 May 08
So the tax payer will have to fund English lessons for illegals who nearly always have to travel through France, Spain, Germany etc to get here. Stop welfare payments (Socialism) and you'll see an immediate end to the raping of our country. In fact, you'll see a mass exodus of economic scroungers. True patriots, including many genuine immigrants and asylum seekers, can then rebuild our great country.

EU wipes England off the map - as Gordon Brown flies the flag of St George over Downing Street
Last updated at 00:52am on 24.04.08

Vote UKIP!
Posted by: xmal, Dundee on 11:40am Fri 16 May 08
School kids will learn English very quickly just by being in the school environment. No need for any additional resources.
Posted by: xmal, Dundee on 11:40am Fri 16 May 08
School kids will learn English very quickly just by being in the school environment. No need for any additional resources.
Posted by: xmal, Dundee on 11:40am Fri 16 May 08
School kids will learn English very quickly just by being in the school environment. No need for any additional resources.
Posted by: BLOCKEM., Glasgow on 2:25pm Fri 16 May 08
Wullie wrote:
Blockem , Scunnert and myself are the people who are on the same wavelength. The rest who post bland comments are the sheep. We are tilting at windmills. So Im going to do a Pontius Pilate and wash my hands of the lefty herald. IM BORED.
Yes little willie put your wellies on and run away to your sheep.
You are boring.
Coward.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 5:33pm Fri 16 May 08
BLOCKEM. wrote:
Wullie wrote:
Blockem , Scunnert and myself are the people who are on the same wavelength. The rest who post bland comments are the sheep. We are tilting at windmills. So Im going to do a Pontius Pilate and wash my hands of the lefty herald. IM BORED.
Yes little willie put your wellies on and run away to your sheep.
You are boring.
Coward.
I think the 3 year old bairn, Michael Woods of Drumchapel is pretending to be BLOCKEM. Very sad.
Posted by: ubergeek, glasgow on 5:55pm Fri 16 May 08
im sure some of the indigenous pupils in glasgow schools have probelms with speaking english
Posted by: Iftikhar, Forst Gate London on 6:32pm Fri 16 May 08
Salaam

Thanks for your thought provoking response.

Muslim schools are not only faith schools but they are more or less
bilingual schools.

Bilingual Muslim children need to learn standard English to follow the
National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve
humanity. They need to be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand
the
Holy Quran. They need to be well versed in Urdu and other community
languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty
of
their literature and poetry.

Bilingualism is an asset but the British schooling regards it as a
problem.
A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want
to
become notoriously monolingual Brit. Pakistan is only seven hours from
London and majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan.

More than third of British Muslim have no qualifications. British school
system has been failing large number of Muslims children for the last 60
years. Muslim scholars see the pursuit of knowledge as a duty, with the
Quran containing several verses to the rewards of learning. 33% of
British
Muslims of working age have no qualifications and Muslims are also the
least
likely to have degrees or equivalent qualifications. Most of estimated
500,000 Muslim school-aged pupils in England and Wales are educated in
the
state system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. Majority of them are
underachievers because they are at a wrong place at a wrong time.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual
Muslim teachers during their developmental periods. There is no place for
a
non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. As far as higher
education
is concerned, Muslim students can be educated with others. Let
Muslim community educate its own children so that they can develop their
own
Islamic, cultural and linguistic identities and become usefull members of
the British society rather than becoming a buden.

We are living in an English speaking country and English is an
international
language, therefore, we want our children to learn and be well versed in
standard English and at the same time well versed in Arabic, Urdu and
other community
languages. Is there anything wrong with this approach?
Posted by: ubergeek, glasgow on 7:00pm Fri 16 May 08
" More than third of British Muslim have no qualifications. British school
system has been failing large number of Muslims children for the last 60
years " says ifthikar

why keep inflicting this victim mentality on your fellow muslims? Other ethnic minorities seem to cope fine, and have on average better educational achievements. Surely if there was more integration from muslim communities, the rest of the UK wouldnt "fail" muslim children.
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