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[bold]Another union dividend ?[/bold] [bold]Did anyone honestly expect the labour party to do the decent thing ?[/bold]

So they've voted to continue to keep their snouts in the trough. Mainly labour MPs too. Shameful.

By a narrow majority of 28 in a[bold] free vote[/bold] A free vote a flippin free vote. on wether they get to keep their expenses. a free vote. seriously?

I honestly believe the Labour Party and Gordon Brown are now finished. That vote was surely the death knell for them. Brown allowed a free vote. In short he allowed that vote to happen. They are now a defeated Party. They will never get back into power now. The UK public are being hammered in taxes - as per for petrol. And they are keeping expenses that will allow them to buy luxury TVs for their second homes KITCHEN. These people are FILTH. Think of the poor people in this country. These MPs are no more than trash. How can they possibly point at dole scroungers? The real scroungers are in the Labour Party. They have even targeted people on incapacity benefit - the most vulnerable people in the UK. Yet they vote the way they did? They are nothing BUT trash. Mr. Brown, you look as if you have NO AUTHORITY. You are going the same way as your pal Wendy Cronyism Alexander. Your party is a disgrace. Socialism, Mr. Brown? Middle class trash bags, more like. And as for the expenses for luxury TVs, my son is in Afghanistan just now. What expenses does he get, Mr. Brown. Is he fighting for the people that voted that way last night? Is he laying is life on the line for such dung as that? IS HE? The morale of our troops must be at an all time low.

AND HEAD LINES FROM THE TIMES. National Audit Office rejects Treasury accounts Dramatic collapse in department’s morale. There goes another of Mr Browns little Darlings!

As a serious newspaper can you not inform your readrs of who voted and how they voted?

I think this just proves once and for all who the real "subsidy junkies" are....

Tried to find out if Dougie Alexander voted for this - Theyworkforyou.com not yet updated - anyone have any info on WHO, exactly, voted for this?

These people are a total disgrace. For Brown to allow a free vote on such an issue shows complete disregard for the rest of us who fund these parasites. Put them on minimum wage for a while. Maybe then the message will get through to them. Whilst they are at it, any profit made on a secondary home should go back to the treasury, something which would benefit us all, not just their alreafy swollen bank accounts.

From the tone of comments on this and other forums discussing their resistence to accountability, it's clear they have no idea of the public mood, or how deep it runs.

Quick! Get your snout in the trough!

Or maybe we should stop moaning. The British Parliament is the greatest in the universe, so whatever anyone does is OK. They should fiddle expenses - they're British. that's how we do things.

Well, there you go. If anyone was in any doubt about voting SNP, there's your reason. Westminster is a den of iniquity; they have just shown the taxpayers two fingers yet again. The only way we can reply to them is with our votes.

I don't like the snp. they will end up spoiling it for us all. why shouldnt we get a few perks? typical snp - trying to be goody-goodies.

It is now apparent that the snouts in the trough have more considerations for their own well being than the well being of the public purse. it is yet to be confirmed who voted for the status quo and no change to the fiscal arrangements that's so agreeable to themselves. One has been accustomed to being kept in comfort and ease, in the manner they have become accustomed to. No doubt the Lewis lists of comforts will be bring out a new line in merchandise,,, gold plated troughs for discerning clientele, complete with chateau cost a lot whatever on tap. ...and a second home with more dining rooms than bathrooms to accommodate and house in a manner befitting gold plated troughs and expensive sundry extras; At public expense, naturally. It's time these self serving politicos had lessons in humility and thrift by removing them from this gravitas they've become acustomed to by booting out their sorry @rses at the nearest opportunity available to us, the long suffering public. .

Anybody notice the liebour party activist on question time tonight? What A pr!ck spouting out that 70% Scottish people against independence how would he know ?did he ask everyone?

'Ere ye go. From the Daily Mail Online: There were loads of Tories who voted to retain their expenses as well but I guessed that they are kind of irrelevant in Scotland - No SNP. Tom Clarke the MP from another deprived Glasgow East constituency gets the double whammy vote- He voted for the higher than inflation pay rise as well. My MP - don't get me started on him!!! MPs who voted to keep their snouts firmly in the trough: Nick Ainger (Carmarthen West & Pembrokeshire South), Graham Allen (Nottingham North), David Anderson (Blaydon), Janet Anderson (Rossendale & Darwen), Ian Austin (Dudley North), Adrian Bailey (West Bromwich West), Gordon Banks (Ochil & Perthshire South), Kevin Barron (Rother Valley), Margaret Beckett (Derby South), Clive Betts (Sheffield Attercliffe), Liz Blackman (Erewash), Roberta Blackman-Woods (Durham, City of), Bob Blizzard (Waveney), David Borrow (Ribble South (South Ribble)), Nick Brown (Newcastle upon Tyne East & Wallsend), Richard Burden (Birmingham Northfield), Colin Burgon (Elmet), Andy Burnham (Leigh), Stephen Byers (Tyneside North), Alan Campbell (Tynemouth), Ronnie Campbell (Blyth Valley), Ben Chapman (Wirral South), David Chaytor (Bury North), Tom Clarke (Coatbridge, Chryston & Bellshill), David Clelland (Tyne Bridge), Ann Clwyd (Cynon Valley), Ann Coffey (Stockport), Harry Cohen (Leyton & Wanstead), Michael Connarty (Linlithgow & Falkirk East), Rosie Cooper (Lancashire West), Ann Cryer (Keighley), John Cummings (Easington), Jim Cunningham (Coventry South), Tony Cunningham (Workington), Wayne David (Caerphilly), Ian Davidson (Glasgow South West), Janet Dean (Burton), Frank Dobson (Holborn & St Pancras), Brian Donohoe (Ayrshire Central), Jim Dowd (Lewisham West), Angela Eagle (Wallasey), Maria Eagle (Liverpool Garston), Jeff Ennis (Barnsley East & Mexborough), Bill Etherington (Sunderland North), Caroline Flint (Don Valley), Paul Flynn (Newport West), Michael Foster (Worcester), Michael Jabez Foster (Hastings & Rye), Mike Gapes (Ilford South), Dr Ian Gibson (Norwich North), Linda Gilroy (Plymouth Sutton), Nia Griffith (Llanelli), Andrew Gwynne (Denton & Reddish), Mike Hall (Weaver Vale), David Hamilton (Midlothian), Dai Havard (Merthyr Tydfil & Rhymney), Stephen Hesford (Wirral West), Sharon Hodgson (Gateshead East & Washington West), Jimmy Hood (Lanark & Hamilton East), George Howarth (Knowsley North & Sefton East), Beverley Hughes (Stretford & Urmston), Joan Humble (Blackpool North & Fleetwood), Dr Brian Iddon (Bolton South East), Eric Illsley (Barnsley Central), Adam Ingram (East Kilbride, Strathaven & Lesmahagow), Brian Jenkins (Tamworth), Diana Johnson (Hull North), Kevan Jones (Durham North), Martyn Jones (Clwyd South), Tessa Jowell (Dulwich & West Norwood), Eric Joyce (Falkirk), Alan Keen (Feltham & Heston), David Kidney (Stafford), Peter Kilfoyle (Liverpool Walton), Bob Laxton (Derby North), Tom Levitt (High Peak), Ivan Lewis (Bury South), Tony Lloyd (Manchester Central), Ian Lucas (Wrexham), Tommy McAvoy (Rutherglen & Hamilton West), Stephen McCabe (Birmingham Hall Green), Christine McCafferty (Calder Valley), Kerry McCarthy (Bristol East), Sarah McCarthy-Fry (Portsmouth North), Siobhain McDonagh (Mitcham & Morden), James McGovern (Dundee West), Anne McGuire (Stirling), Shona McIsaac (Cleethorpes), Rosemary McKenna (Cumbernauld, Kilsyth & Kirkintilloch East), Tony McNulty (Harrow East), Denis MacShane (Rotherham), Khalid Mahmood (Birmingham Perry Barr), Rob Marris (Wolverhampton South West), Gordon Marsden (Blackpool South), Alan Meale (Mansfield), Gillian Merron (Lincoln), Andrew Miller (Ellesmere Port & Neston), Madeleine Moon (Bridgend), Jessica Morden (Newport East), Elliot Morley (Scunthorpe), George Mudie (Leeds East), Denis Murphy (Wansbeck), Paul Murphy (Torfaen), Mike O'Brien (Warwickshire North), Eddie O'Hara (Knowsley South), Sandra Osborne (Ayr, Carrick & Cumnock), James Plaskitt (Warwick & Leamington), Bridget Prentice (Lewisham East), Gordon Prentice (Pendle), Gwyn Prosser (Dover), Ken Purchase (Wolverhampton North East), Nick Raynsford (Greenwich & Woolwich), John Robertson (Glasgow North West), Terry Rooney (Bradford North), Chris Ruane (Vale of Clwyd), Christine Russell (Chester, City of), Alison Seabeck (Plymouth Devonport), Barry Sheerman (Huddersfield), Jimmy Sheridan (Paisley & Renfrewshire North), Angela C Smith (Sheffield Hillsborough), Angela E Smith (Basildon), Jacqui Smith (Redditch), Anne Snelgrove (Swindon South), John Spellar (Warley), Phyllis Starkey (Milton Keynes South West), Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East), Gisela Stuart (Birmingham Edgbaston), Gerry Sutcliffe (Bradford South), Mark Tami (Alyn & Deeside), Gareth Thomas (Harrow West), Emily Thornberry (Islington South & Finsbury), Don Touhig (Islwyn), Derek Twigg (Halton), Kitty Ussher (Burnley), Keith Vaz (Leicester East), Lynda Waltho (Stourbridge), Claire Ward (Watford), Tom Watson (West Bromwich East), Dave Watts (St Helens North), Phil Wilson (Sedgefield), Rosie Winterton (Doncaster Central), Shaun Woodward (St Helens South), Phil Woolas (Oldham East & Saddleworth), David Wright (Telford), Iain Wright (Hartlepool), Derek Wyatt (Sittingbourne & Sheppey)

Amusingly the MP's interviewed on the BBC or featured in the commons supporting the continuation of the 'expenses' were all Scottish Labour MP's Its time to rid ourselves of these leeches!

The Trough Party ?

Interstingly - if the 17 Scottish Labour MPs had voted the other way the result would have been entirely different.

REMEMBER JOHN MacLEAN You working of Scotland all you who want her free Remember John MacLean right well or free you'll never be What freedom you call is not freedom at all, till tyranny is done Not the English alone, but the tyrants at home must go before we've won What good's your flags and banners, what good's your Bannockburn When Scotland's full of moneymen, who will rob you in their turn What freedom you call is not freedom at all, till tyranny is done Not the English alone, but the tyrants at home must go before we've won We'll proudly build a Scotland where landlord's fences fall Where in the streets for you and me, where each can work for all What freedom you call is not freedom at all, till tyranny is done Not the English alone, but the tyrants at home must go before we've won

Apologies for posting on the wrong thread, but apparently Glasgows Leading Quality Newspaper The Herald does not allow comments on the local interest story the Glasgow East by-election. Apparently Labour sycophant Dougie Fraser continues his Pravda style censorship. I bet he can't wait to leave The Herald and join the "Anglocentricity and London-centricity" of the Unionist mouthpiece the BBC - see tinyurl.com/6md9t5 Anyhow ignoring Dougie yet again, and getting back to the Glasgow East By-Election : "David Cairns, the Scotland Office Minister, said: "If a by-election is not called now, the earliest possible date would be late October." see - tinyurl.com/6979x3 Angus Robertson SNP MP "The 1975 Recess Election Act allows for parliamentary by-elections to take place when Parliament is not in session," see - tinyurl.com/5wclvt Oops, Labour caught out to be liars yet again :) "The deadline for getting a postal vote is 5.00 pm on Wednesday, 9th July 2008" "The issuing of postal ballot papers will commence on or after 14 July 2008" see - tinyurl.com/63djyo Glasgow Trades holidays are the week of the election 19th to 25th July. So basically to have a chance to vote anybody that is going on holiday needs to fill in the postal ballot and hopefully receive the postal ballot form before they head off on holiday. I wonder what the chance are that they will get posted out after the 14th July and won't arrive in mailboxes until people have left for vacation the 18th July ? From the Guardian "Polling day has been deliberately placed during the summer holidays - Scottish schools have already broken up. It is also midway through the Glasgow fair holiday, when the city traditionally empties and the more politically volatile C2 demographic - backbone of many a byelection swing - are safely away on vacation." "Today, humiliatingly, Labour's view is that the fewer people who vote, the better. Glasgow East - like Brown's premiership - is now entirely about survival." see - tinyurl.com/66cr87 Clearly this is democracy British style - apparently there is only a level playing field if you are wearing a Unionist strip. One silver lining though the SNP win in Glasgow East will be even sweeter when it wins against this type of underhand abuse. Saor Alba P.S. Not that easy to find but the postal ballot application form is at http://tinyurl.com/5 9spkb PLEASE PLEASE pass this around so the people of Glasgow East at least have the chance to vote.

Remember this is a byelection.Those who are away on holiday and thus denied their democratic rights will get the chance to vote again at the general election.And a lot of them will remember this Labour Party tricking them out of their vote. Gordon Brown said he would do anything to keep Scotland in the union.The campaign by Labour will be dirty.Thats the kind of them.The SNP must stay positive.Labour have nothing they can be positive about.As to the expenses vote....Typical

They obviously don't give a monkeys what people think of them and have decided to rip the pish out of the system. I hope MP's read these comments because if they do then they will be under no illusion about what we all think of them...thieving, robbing b@stards!!!!

Credit crunch? recession? increased fuel costs? broken fridge? windows need replaced?, garden needing landscaped? lightbulbs need replaced? .....nope! doesn't affect any of our MP's they just whack it in on expenses...no receipt required, just a shiny brass neck and no conscience....oh and by the way just keep voting them in as they are Labour men and have your interests at heart........muppets !!!!!

The John Maclean March Hey Mac did ye see him as he cam in by Gorgie, Awa ower the Lammerlaw and north o’ the Tay? Yon man is comin’ and the hale toon is turnin’ oot, We’re aa’ sair he’ll win back tae Glasga the day. The jiners and hauders-on are marchin’ fae Clydebank, Come noo an’ hear him, he’ll be ower thrang tae bide. Turn oot Jock and Jimmie, leave yer cranes an’ yer muckle gantries Great John Maclean’s comin’ back tae the Clyde. Argyle Street and London Road’s the route that we’re mairchin’ The lads frae the Broomielaw are oot tae a man. Hey, Neil, whaur’s yer hoderums, ye big Hielan teuchter?. Get yer pipes, mate, and march at the heid o’the clan! Hallo Pat Malone, I knew ye’d be here, son The red and green, my lads, we’ll wear side by side, The Gorbals is his the day and Glasgae belangs tae him, Noo great John Maclean’s comin’ hame tae the Clyde. It’s forward tae Glasga Green we’ll mairch in guid order, Will grips his banner weel, that boy isna blate, Aye there man, that’s Johnny noo, that’s him, aye, the bonnie fechter Lenin’s his fere, Mac, and Leibnecht’s his mate. Tak tent when he’s speakin’ for they’ll mind whit wis said here In Glasgae our city and the hale world besides. Tha’s richt, lads, the scarlet’s bonnie, here’s tae ye Hielan’ Shonie! Oor John Maclean has come hame to the Clyde. An weel when it’s ower, I’ll awa hame tae Springburn, Come hame tae yer tea noo, John, we’ll soon hae ye fed! It’s hard wark the speakin’, an I’m sair ye’ll be tired the nicht, I’ll sleep on the flair, Mac, and gie John the bed. The hale city’s quiet noo, It kens that he’s restin’ Hame wi’ his Glasga freens, the fame and their pride. The red will be worn, my lads, and Scotland will rise again, Noo great John Maclean has come hame tae the Clyde. John MacLean, 1879-1923, Stood for a Scottish Workers Republic Q. What does Labour stand for? A. The Queen.

once again the mps refuse to listen to the voters of britian as they wallow in the trough at westmister,they behave with the morals of the rulers of banana republic,lies,bribes for honours, bribes for votes,manipulation of bye election dates,the corruption and dishonesty knows no bounds and that just the labour party,we also could have rent boys libs, pay your nanny from expenses con, is there no end to this blatant theft of taxpayers money

Brown has lost his authority completely , he was not even in the commons to vote never mind to organise that his troughers voted the "moral compass" way. apparently 32 of the government including cabinet ministers voted to keep the expenses. If people ever needed a reason to get rid of Westminster this is it .

[quote][bold]bluenose[/bold] wrote: Brown has lost his authority completely , he was not even in the commons to vote never mind to organise that his troughers voted the "moral compass" way. apparently 32 of the government including cabinet ministers voted to keep the expenses. If people ever needed a reason to get rid of Westminster this is it . [/quote] 32? 146 Labour MPs (17 Scottish Labour) voted to continue their shameless fleecing and cheating of the tax payer. They are the government, Bluenose.

These are the Scottish MP's who voted for their place at the trough. See if you can guess which party they represent????? [bold]Gordon Banks (Ochil & Perthshire South), Tom Clarke (Coatbridge), Michael Connarty (Linlithgow & Falkirk East), Ian Davidson (Glasgow South West), Brian Donohoe (Ayrshire Central), David Hamilton (Midlothian), Jimmy Hood (Lanark & Hamilton East), Adam Ingram (East Kilbride, Strathaven & Lesmahagow), Eric Joyce (Falkirk), Tommy McAvoy (Rutherglen & Hamilton West), James McGovern (Dundee West), Anne McGuire (Stirling), Rosemary McKenna (Cumbernauld, Kilsyth & Kirkintilloch East), John Robertson (Glasgow North West), Jimmy Sheridan (Paisley & Renfrewshire North), Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East),[/bold]

Here's another one I missed [bold]Sandra Osborne (Ayr, Carrick & Cumnock),[/bold]

My apologies. There are only 16.

Hooray!! Thanks Jimmy the Pie. I was sure I had counted 17!!

I suppose the NuLabor MPs claim all that money on expenses so they can give it to disadvantaged children? Thats probably what Bendy collected the money for too during her uncontested leadership election...

The MP's have retained their TAXFREE expenses in return for accepting a below inflation TAXABLE salary increase but are unable to assist the remaining million or so lower paid who are still effected by the 10p tax when the tax system was adjusted to take money from them to give to the better off. They are clearly in office to tax everything and everyone with the exception of themselves.

[bold]The actual majority was over 300. Thos who didn't vote, in this case, can be deemed spineless supporters of this decision!!![/bold] Why was a free vote allowed on MPs expenses, and not on 42 days detention & the Iraq War, in particular? Everyone should be aware that the "2nd homefitting allowance" is the equivalent to the GROSS INCOME OF 4 (FOUR) SINGLE PENSIONERS!!!!!!!!! FOR A FAIRER AND MORE PROSPEROUS SCOTLAND: VOTE SNP.

This is the same lot of chancers who cheered wildly when Gordon Brown doubled the 10p tax rate for the lowest earners. Well, there will be 5.3 million low earners cheering wildly when this lot get humped at the next general election.

I just heard on BBC Radio Scotland that as many as one in four mps hire at least one family member in theri office. This is an absolute outrage - fair enough for pricvate company owners to hire relatives (or whoever they like), but these rogues are using public money. The practice of politicians hiring relatives should be gradually phased out and banned in 10 years. I think the Scottish government should show the way, clear up holyrood as an example and shame westminster into following. It will be very difficult, since so many politicians have bought into this. However, any party/government that had the courage and conviction to clear up this mess would be onto a real vote-winner.

Why would anyone be surprised by this? It clearly shows that most MP's (mostly Labour) are quite content to keep their noses in the trough and could not give a toss about public opinion. I hope this issue is raised continually at every election from now on, starting with Glasgow East. Let's all bombard them constantly about their greed.

From Douglas "White Feather" Fraser's article which we can't comment on as usual: [quote]Ian Davidson, MP for Glasgow South-West, argued:.... While Labour stands up for Glasgow and invests in its future..........."[/quote] That would be Ian Davidson the well known Trough Licker? Holding his hand up for expenses of £24000 a year on a second home that people of Glasgow East can only dream about or read about in articles on MP's. Black, burning shame on you, the whole disgusting lot of you. You make me retch! May your gods have mercy on you because the voters won't.

Human nature I'm afraid. Let's face it, if all of you moaners had a great expenses/remuneratio n package in your job and you had the chance to either vote to keep it or lose it, I am sure that you would all happily chose to lose the extra dosh wouldn't you? Aye Right! I'm not saying the trough is right - but if your at it you want to stay at it. Forget the stage-managed SNP stance. This was a win/win situation for them. Vote against but it still goes through - looks good. Vote against and it doesn't go through - look even better. Finally, the point of posting the MPs names is.....?

Human nature I'm afraid. Let's face it, if all of you moaners had a great expenses/remuneratio n package in your job and you had the chance to either vote to keep it or lose it, I am sure that you would all happily chose to lose the extra dosh wouldn't you? Aye Right! I'm not saying the trough is right - but if your at it you want to stay at it. Forget the stage-managed SNP stance. This was a win/win situation for them. Vote against but it still goes through - looks good. Vote against and it doesn't go through - look even better. Finally, the point of posting the MPs names is.....?

This is disgusting - yet another nail in Labour's coffin.

Why are these expenses tax free?

It's now evident that many of our MP's have no ethics or morals. I would like to see the names of these spongers plastered across every newspaper.

Don't know what all you folks are complaining about .,,.,. Have you all forgotten ? To get their "snouts in the trough" was the only reason for ever going into Politics in the first place ,.,.,. they're ALL bloody crooks ! I've said it before & no doubt will again ,, Anybody who expresses a wish to go into Politics should be forever BANNED from ever doing so !!

[quote][bold]Van Helsing - Nat Slayer[/bold] wrote: Human nature I'm afraid. Let's face it, if all of you moaners had a great expenses/remuneratio n package in your job and you had the chance to either vote to keep it or lose it, I am sure that you would all happily chose to lose the extra dosh wouldn't you? Aye Right! I'm not saying the trough is right - but if your at it you want to stay at it. Forget the stage-managed SNP stance. This was a win/win situation for them. Vote against but it still goes through - looks good. Vote against and it doesn't go through - look even better. Finally, the point of posting the MPs names is.....?[/quote] The point of posting the names of the greedy MP's is so that we the electorate know and remember them when we get to the ballot box. If ordinary workers got these expenses then yes, it would be fair enough. But we don't - that's why it's unfair. If we did, you can bet your &rse HMRC would soon decide these BIK's were taxable. The othere point is that most ordinary workers are not in jobs where we claim to be working in the interests of the poor and disadvantaged. These MP's do exactly that but their actions speak louder than their hollow words.

TODAY AT WESTMINSTER AND AROUND THE WORLD 4th July - NEW WORLD ORDER Revolution. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=3Lxcq8fGY 9w LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS Steps to a jury and democracy (1) we demand our Right to Trial by Jury in any action (2) the Judiciary deny us that Right (3) we deny that they have the power to do so by saying, "I do not consent to be without a Jury and I Challenge the Jurisdiction of the Court." (4) a Jury determines the Jurisdiction of the Court (of which a Judge is an Officer) and (5) once a Jury overrules the Judge, the TRIAL re-commences BY JURY

What amazes me in the current circumstances is the way the people of the UK just appear to let all this happen with little or no protest! Are we all to frightened or to lazy to publicly demand change? I am afraid a change of MP in Glasgow East or anywhere else will change little in our corrupt political system. Just some other new snout for the trough. If 'everyone' in Glasgow East votes for someone other than New Labour then yes we might have a new PM but a change for the better in the longer term, I doubt it. Lets see the people in the streets protesting a bit more that might change things.

I would like to know which Scottish MPs voted for and those that voted against , and those that abstained and in doing so actually voted yes

These people make laws. Yes? Now, who the Donald Duck is going to uphold laws that they make? NOBODY is going to listen to these people. They have lost all respect and ALL authority they had by virtue of this idiotic vote. Its blatant greed - and greed of the worst type. These people are just human manure. The Labour Party have committed electoral suicide. BROWN allowed a free vote. HE allowed them to vote that way. How can he possibly survive now? DSS scroungers? Well, there will be a lot more doing that now eh? Do you blame them reader? Do you blame people for avoiding and not paying tax and national insurance after that vote?

Vin Reisling - Nose Picker[quote]Finally, the point of posting the MPs names is.....?[/quote] The accountability of elected representatives in an open democracy. Next question.

Only half of the Commons voted. Gordon Brown didn't even bother to turn up, which shows the disdain - or is it contempt - these charlatans have for the electorate.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that the whole of Shettleston will be away on holiday for the Fair Fortnight?? Aye right...!! Shows you how out of touch our "esteemed" leaders are when they think that all the poor, the unemployed, minimum wage earners/junkies/down and outs etc. etc... will all be off to Benidorm for a fortnight!! laughable if it wasn't so tragic.

[quote][bold]Los Angeles[/bold] wrote: From the tone of comments on this and other forums discussing their resistence to accountability, it's clear they have no idea of the public mood, or how deep it runs. [/quote] LA, I think they know fine well how the public feel, they're just saying fek yooz to the public

[quote][bold]bluenose[/bold] wrote: I would like to know which Scottish MPs voted for and those that voted against , and those that abstained and in doing so actually voted yes[/quote] These are the ones that voted for : Gordon Banks (Ochil & Perthshire South), Tom Clarke (Coatbridge, Chryston & Bellshill), Michael Connarty (Linlithgow & Falkirk East), Ian Davidson (Glasgow South West), Brian Donohoe (Ayrshire Central), David Hamilton (Midlothian), Jimmy Hood (Lanark & Hamilton East), Adam Ingram (East Kilbride, Strathaven & Lesmahagow), Eric Joyce (Falkirk), Tommy McAvoy (Rutherglen & Hamilton West), James McGovern (Dundee West), Anne McGuire (Stirling), Rosemary McKenna (Cumbernauld, Kilsyth & Kirkintilloch East), Sandra Osborne (Ayr, Carrick & Cumnock), John Robertson (Glasgow North West), Jimmy Sheridan (Paisley & Renfrewshire North), Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East) All Labour No other Scottish MP voted for apparently the other Scottish Labour MP's abstained

Well, isn't it nice to see the self preservation society alive and well in our seat of Government. Mr Brown, Mr Darling et al are constantly in the newspapers and on TV telling us things are going to get worse with regards to the economy and that we must ride the pain in order to survive this. Now, here we have a group of Parliamentarians who were given the opportunity to 'share the pain' of their constituents - guess what - they chose to keep their highly criticised expenses format, keeping them safe from the impacts of current economic crises! This decision is both disappointing and short-sighted. Politicians should remember they ARE accountable to the electorate - yes they can vote to keep an unfair expenses system, however we can also vote - to remove them from Parliament! The Labour Government have chosen to ignore the warning signs - fuel protests, council election failures, by election disasters - but still chose to vote in this manner (well the vast majority of those who chose to protect these payments did). With regards to the MPs mortgage subsidy scheme for a second property in London, if we as taxpayers are paying a proportion of the mortgage cost, then surely a similar proportion of the proceeds of the sale should be recouped by the Treasury? As a lifelong Labour voter I am now becoming extremely disillusioned with regards to where the party is heading. Sadly though, I find it impossible to find a credible alternative among the other parties!

[quote][bold]les vegas[/bold] wrote: Are you honestly trying to tell me that the whole of Shettleston will be away on holiday for the Fair Fortnight?? Aye right...!! Shows you how out of touch our "esteemed" leaders are when they think that all the poor, the unemployed, minimum wage earners/junkies/down and outs etc. etc... will all be off to Benidorm for a fortnight!! laughable if it wasn't so tragic.[/quote] I would interpret it that the whole of those in employment and earning will be away, leaving those not earning etc to vote

[quote][bold]Donald Anderson[/bold] wrote: The John Maclean March Hey Mac did ye see him as he cam in by Gorgie, Awa ower the Lammerlaw and north o’ the Tay? Yon man is comin’ and the hale toon is turnin’ oot, We’re aa’ sair he’ll win back tae Glasga the day. The jiners and hauders-on are marchin’ fae Clydebank, Come noo an’ hear him, he’ll be ower thrang tae bide. Turn oot Jock and Jimmie, leave yer cranes an’ yer muckle gantries Great John Maclean’s comin’ back tae the Clyde. Argyle Street and London Road’s the route that we’re mairchin’ The lads frae the Broomielaw are oot tae a man. Hey, Neil, whaur’s yer hoderums, ye big Hielan teuchter?. Get yer pipes, mate, and march at the heid o’the clan! Hallo Pat Malone, I knew ye’d be here, son The red and green, my lads, we’ll wear side by side, The Gorbals is his the day and Glasgae belangs tae him, Noo great John Maclean’s comin’ hame tae the Clyde. It’s forward tae Glasga Green we’ll mairch in guid order, Will grips his banner weel, that boy isna blate, Aye there man, that’s Johnny noo, that’s him, aye, the bonnie fechter Lenin’s his fere, Mac, and Leibnecht’s his mate. Tak tent when he’s speakin’ for they’ll mind whit wis said here In Glasgae our city and the hale world besides. Tha’s richt, lads, the scarlet’s bonnie, here’s tae ye Hielan’ Shonie! Oor John Maclean has come hame to the Clyde. An weel when it’s ower, I’ll awa hame tae Springburn, Come hame tae yer tea noo, John, we’ll soon hae ye fed! It’s hard wark the speakin’, an I’m sair ye’ll be tired the nicht, I’ll sleep on the flair, Mac, and gie John the bed. The hale city’s quiet noo, It kens that he’s restin’ Hame wi’ his Glasga freens, the fame and their pride. The red will be worn, my lads, and Scotland will rise again, Noo great John Maclean has come hame tae the Clyde. John MacLean, 1879-1923, Stood for a Scottish Workers Republic Q. What does Labour stand for? A. The Queen. [/quote] [quote]Q. What does Labour stand for? A. [bold]The Queen.[/[/bold] quote] Izzat ye on aboot Davy Cairns again?