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Labour MPs in open revolt over tax
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| GERRY SUTCLIFFE: Sided with industry, then changed tack. |
Gordon Brown was last night facing an "open tax revolt" from his own MPs after the minister responsible for pub licensing attacked the rise in alcohol duty and dozens of Labour back benchers vented their anger at Sunday's abolition of the 10p income tax rate, claiming it will hit the low-paid.
One disgruntled MP told The Herald: "We have done a lot to help business and the better-off, but we are in danger of losing our core vote. Gordon is not listening."
Just days after Ivan Lewis, the Westminster Health Minister, warned the UK Government was "losing touch" with ordinary voters, Gerry Sutcliffe, the Culture Minister in charge of licensing, backed the drink industry's complaint that Alistair Darling in last month's Budget had pushed alcohol duty too high.
The Chancellor raised the ire of the Scotch Whisky Association by slapping 55p on a bottle of whisky while pubs complained of 4p on a pint of beer with some mounting a campaign to ban Mr Darling from their doors. In a move which will not endear him to Downing St, Mr Sutcliffe sided with the industry when he told the Morning Advertiser, a trade paper: "The industry's right to be upset. We and I, (who) speak as a champion of the pub trade, want the Chancellor to change his mind."
As the row broke, the Bradford MP performed a remarkable volteface and issued a
second statement, declaring: "My comments do not accurately reflect my views."
He added: "I fully support the tax measures in the Budget and the Chancellor's decisions on tax. Alcohol duty increases will go towards helping some of
the poorest members of our society."
Jeremy Beadles of the Wine and Spirit Trade Association, picked up on the minister's
initial remarks, insisting: "Gerry Sutcliffe is right and the Chancellor was wrong; this is no time to be punishing the consumer with inflation-busting tax rises on alcohol."
Last night, the Prime Minister and Chancellor were also facing growing trouble on another front - over their decision in the Budget to pay for a 2p cut in the basic rate of income tax by getting rid of the 10p rate, both of which take effect on Sunday, the start of the new tax year.
Labour MPs raised their concerns that the abolition would hit the poorest in society at Monday's private party meeting in the Commons attended by Mr Brown. However, in what will be a worrying sign for the PM, some 26 yesterday made their revolt public by signing a new parliamentary motion. Two previous ones now each have totals of Labour MPs of around 40.
| ‘We are in danger of losing our core vote. Gordon is not listening’ | |
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In the latest motion, back benchers complain that "despite assurances to the contrary" many people were being made worse off by the abolition with a disproportionate effect on the poorest in society.
They add that they are "dismayed at the response to the plight of those adversely affected" and call on the Chancellor to "bring forward measures to correct this damaging change to the taxation system".
One of the signatories, Rosemary McKenna, the normally loyal MP for Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East, made clear she had raised
concerns over the abolition of the 10p rate months ago.
She said: "I'm extremely concerned that the lowest-paid in the public sector and pensioners on low incomes are being hit hard. We are attacking the poorest and it's just wrong." She added that what she and her colleagues are calling for is not for a reintroduction of the 10p rate but for the Chancellor to make changes to, say, tax allowances and credits, so that the poorest in society do not get penalised disproportionately.
Some back benchers south of the border fear the tax change could hit them in the local elections on May 1. Nia Griffith, a parliamentary aide and MP for Llanelli, said the 10p rate abolition did "not look good" and the UK
Government should have "woken up to it sooner".
The Institute of Fiscal Studies, the respected economic think-tank, has estimated the move will leave 5.3m families earning between £5400 and £18,500 a year worse off.
Last night, the Conservatives seized on Labour's back-bench rebellion and the
minister's comments. George Osborne, the Shadow Chancellor, claimed the PM's
tax policy was falling apart, insisting: "There is an open tax revolt in the Labour Party and it shows the government is in disarray as a serious economic crisis looms."
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Posted by: Jimmy the Pie on 10:13pm Thu 3 Apr 08
Superb viewing watching New Labour Sleaze and Corruption tear itself apart. Broon, Broonee, Wendeey and all the other politburo tos$ers will be oot on their erses shortly. The May elections are about to be the death knell of all these charlatans and rogues.
Payback time and it can't come quick enough!
www.snp.org
Superb viewing watching New Labour Sleaze and Corruption tear itself apart. Broon, Broonee, Wendeey and all the other politburo tos$ers will be oot on their erses shortly. The May elections are about to be the death knell of all these charlatans and rogues.
Payback time and it can't come quick enough!
www.snp.org
Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 10:19pm Thu 3 Apr 08
Labour stealing money from the poor, the pensioners and Scotland.
Still - the offshore mega rich are doing fine !
Labour stealing money from the poor, the pensioners and Scotland.
Still - the offshore mega rich are doing fine !
Posted by: Jimmy the Pie, Orkney on 10:21pm Thu 3 Apr 08
I'm sure there are a lot of New Labour Sleaze and Corruption MWP's beginning to sweat and suffer slack bowel syndrome as the May elections loom and Our Dear Leader ignores every opinion and bit of advice.
I can't wait to hear the excuses and it should be a bonny picture seeing his huffy coupon!
Happy days on the way!!
I'm sure there are a lot of New Labour Sleaze and Corruption MWP's beginning to sweat and suffer slack bowel syndrome as the May elections loom and Our Dear Leader ignores every opinion and bit of advice.
I can't wait to hear the excuses and it should be a bonny picture seeing his huffy coupon!
Happy days on the way!!
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 10:21pm Thu 3 Apr 08
You know what jimmy its like car crash politics. You know its going to happen but your just waiting for the long skid the screeching and then the explosion in this case. Im watching the screeching at the moment and waiting for the big bang. Probably see that at the next election.
i cant wait.
You know what jimmy its like car crash politics. You know its going to happen but your just waiting for the long skid the screeching and then the explosion in this case. Im watching the screeching at the moment and waiting for the big bang. Probably see that at the next election.
i cant wait.
Posted by: Peter Thomson, The knives are out on 10:32pm Thu 3 Apr 08
The MP's are waking up to the thick and steaming they are in Scotland, their researchers will have checked the Comres.co.uk poll results and now we see the weakest and most frightened of Labour MP's heading for the lifeboats and sod the women and children.
-22% for Wendy, Labour in Scotland vote share at 11% and 29% of current unionist voters saying they will shift to SNP if Gordon does not stop messing around with the Scottish Block Allocation of funds.
Rats / sinking ship........
The MP's are waking up to the thick and steaming they are in Scotland, their researchers will have checked the Comres.co.uk poll results and now we see the weakest and most frightened of Labour MP's heading for the lifeboats and sod the women and children.
-22% for Wendy, Labour in Scotland vote share at 11% and 29% of current unionist voters saying they will shift to SNP if Gordon does not stop messing around with the Scottish Block Allocation of funds.
Rats / sinking ship........
Posted by: Clare, Lanarkshire on 10:41pm Thu 3 Apr 08
Before I say my piece on this I know I have a choice as to whether or not I smoke and I know it is bad for me and I openly admit it is the worst thing I ever did and I curse the day I smoked my first cigarette.........ho
wever what is all this uproar about 50p on a bottle of whisky when Labour in particular have exploited the addiction to nicotine shamelessly for the eleven years they have been in power. the latest hike, and the previous one, were both 11p on a packet of twenty? (Sorry for the very long sentence but I am agitated about this : )
It used to be cigarette increases were around 2 or 3 pence, then it was 5 pence, now they aren't even embarrassed by the fact that they use smokers as a form of raising revenue when it suits and will add 11p on without flinching! Meanwhile retailers add their own separate increases at the drop of a hat by 4p at a time. It is shocking. Now they add 50p to a bottle of whisky and its the end of the world. Don't we realise that whisky in Scotland does as much damage as cigarettes? The hypocrisy is nauseating.
I will stop this year because I'm determined now and I'm sick of it and I hate it! I wish on this government the horror of every single smoker in the country stopping on the same day, at the same hour. The Chancellor will die of shock overnight and they will have to put at least 5p on the basic rate at least to recover their losses. Every packet of cigarettes sold in this country sends 85% of its cost straight to the Treasury. Yes we smokers are addicts, and we are fools to do it, but lets hear it about the blatant exploitation in that area when they have left whisky alone for quite some time.
Before I say my piece on this I know I have a choice as to whether or not I smoke and I know it is bad for me and I openly admit it is the worst thing I ever did and I curse the day I smoked my first cigarette.........ho
wever what is all this uproar about 50p on a bottle of whisky when Labour in particular have exploited the addiction to nicotine shamelessly for the eleven years they have been in power. the latest hike, and the previous one, were both 11p on a packet of twenty? (Sorry for the very long sentence but I am agitated about this : )
It used to be cigarette increases were around 2 or 3 pence, then it was 5 pence, now they aren't even embarrassed by the fact that they use smokers as a form of raising revenue when it suits and will add 11p on without flinching! Meanwhile retailers add their own separate increases at the drop of a hat by 4p at a time. It is shocking. Now they add 50p to a bottle of whisky and its the end of the world. Don't we realise that whisky in Scotland does as much damage as cigarettes? The hypocrisy is nauseating.
I will stop this year because I'm determined now and I'm sick of it and I hate it! I wish on this government the horror of every single smoker in the country stopping on the same day, at the same hour. The Chancellor will die of shock overnight and they will have to put at least 5p on the basic rate at least to recover their losses. Every packet of cigarettes sold in this country sends 85% of its cost straight to the Treasury. Yes we smokers are addicts, and we are fools to do it, but lets hear it about the blatant exploitation in that area when they have left whisky alone for quite some time.
Posted by: John Leven, Leven Fife on 10:57pm Thu 3 Apr 08
When you see someone like Rosemary McKenna who's private polls are probably telling her that if an election was held now she would loose her seat starting to panic and ask questions, after years of mind numbing loyalty, you know they are in trouble, and the few sensible MPs they have left know it.
How long before a group of MSPs break away and form Scottish Labour and ditch Wendy? If they backed sensible policies from the goverment, and provided decent opposition when that was required, they could be an asset to Holyrood.
Big question, do any of them have the courage and the brain power to do it, or will they follow Wendy and Broon like the load of lemmings that most of them are?
When you see someone like Rosemary McKenna who's private polls are probably telling her that if an election was held now she would loose her seat starting to panic and ask questions, after years of mind numbing loyalty, you know they are in trouble, and the few sensible MPs they have left know it.
How long before a group of MSPs break away and form Scottish Labour and ditch Wendy? If they backed sensible policies from the goverment, and provided decent opposition when that was required, they could be an asset to Holyrood.
Big question, do any of them have the courage and the brain power to do it, or will they follow Wendy and Broon like the load of lemmings that most of them are?
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 10:58pm Thu 3 Apr 08
Jeez, Clare - have a fag and calm doon!
Jeez, Clare - have a fag and calm doon!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:04pm Thu 3 Apr 08
Clare in Despair [quote] I will stop this year because I'm determined now and I'm sick of it and I hate it![/quote] Good luck!
Keep in mind cigarette companies have loaded fags with so many addictive chemicals your chances of kicking it easily are low. Focus your hate on them, the money they have taken from you, and the health too. Concentrated hate might see you through to success.
LA
Clare in Despair
I will stop this year because I'm determined now and I'm sick of it and I hate it!
Good luck!
Keep in mind cigarette companies have loaded fags with so many addictive chemicals your chances of kicking it easily are low. Focus your hate on them, the money they have taken from you, and the health too. Concentrated hate might see you through to success.
LA
Posted by: Cyber Nat, Edinborg on 11:11pm Thu 3 Apr 08
Gorddon Brown is a Collosus!
Can someone tell me where Collos is?
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Gorddon Brown is a Collosus!
Can someone tell me where Collos is?
http:// tinyurl.com/228nm6
Posted by: Archie, Argyll on 11:14pm Thu 3 Apr 08
Clare 10:41pm said,
"Don't we realise that whisky in Scotland does as much damage as cigarettes? The hypocrisy is nauseating."
Aye, yer right there Clare.
BOTH ARE MORE DANGEROUS THAN CANNABIS WHICH IS ILLEGAL.
Clare 10:41pm said,
"Don't we realise that whisky in Scotland does as much damage as cigarettes? The hypocrisy is nauseating."
Aye, yer right there Clare.
BOTH ARE MORE DANGEROUS THAN CANNABIS WHICH IS ILLEGAL.
Posted by: tris, scotland on 11:21pm Thu 3 Apr 08
How many wheels do this pathetic excuse for a government have left on their wagon. I think very few. I hope they all lose their seats, but most particularly Broon and Broonee, Cairns and Darling, a miserable bunch of quislings.
[quote]"My comments do not accurately reflect my views."[/quote]
Ha Ha... did you misspeak like Mrs Clinton? You're a pathetic tw@t of an excuse for a man. Did Gordon threaten to take away some of your fat rat salary? Or dob you in for your expenses? Pi$$ off you idiot.
Clare.... I gave up smoking 3 years ago. I thought it would be really hard to do, but in fact it was easy. I now save £20+ a week that I would have smoked. I smell better, my flat and clothes smell better. I can't honestly say I feel better, but the great thing is I'm doing Gordon Brown out of £20 a week. Now that just has to be worth the effort.
So good luck. You can do it if it deprives them of money to spend on the rubbish they spend it on.!
How many wheels do this pathetic excuse for a government have left on their wagon. I think very few. I hope they all lose their seats, but most particularly Broon and Broonee, Cairns and Darling, a miserable bunch of quislings.
"My comments do not accurately reflect my views."
Ha Ha... did you misspeak like Mrs Clinton? You're a pathetic tw@t of an excuse for a man. Did Gordon threaten to take away some of your fat rat salary? Or dob you in for your expenses? Pi$$ off you idiot.
Clare.... I gave up smoking 3 years ago. I thought it would be really hard to do, but in fact it was easy. I now save £20+ a week that I would have smoked. I smell better, my flat and clothes smell better. I can't honestly say I feel better, but the great thing is I'm doing Gordon Brown out of £20 a week. Now that just has to be worth the effort.
So good luck. You can do it if it deprives them of money to spend on the rubbish they spend it on.!
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:23pm Thu 3 Apr 08
Saw wee Douglas Alexander on Question time. He looks like the sniveling little school swot and teachers pet.
Saw wee Douglas Alexander on Question time. He looks like the sniveling little school swot and teachers pet.
Posted by: tris, scotland on 11:34pm Thu 3 Apr 08
I've never seen him. Does he look like his sister?
I've never seen him. Does he look like his sister?
Posted by: Old Tam, Glasgow on 11:39pm Thu 3 Apr 08
We Dougie has just told the audience how his constituents are having their needs met in regard to crime reduction and safer streets. Salmond strikes again. Well done SNP.
We Dougie has just told the audience how his constituents are having their needs met in regard to crime reduction and safer streets. Salmond strikes again. Well done SNP.
Posted by: stevie, glasgow on 11:46pm Thu 3 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
Saw wee Douglas Alexander on Question time. He looks like the sniveling little school swot and teachers pet.[/quote] WULLIE ,I never thought we would agree on anything but you are Spot On about this little sniveller.
But youre still a fridge magnet Wullie.
Wullie wrote:
Saw wee Douglas Alexander on Question time. He looks like the sniveling little school swot and teachers pet.
WULLIE ,I never thought we would agree on anything but you are Spot On about this little sniveller.
But youre still a fridge magnet Wullie.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 11:46pm Thu 3 Apr 08
clare youve just convinced me to stop smoking. Im giving gordon brown money eeeeeeeeek!!!!!!!
clare youve just convinced me to stop smoking. Im giving gordon brown money eeeeeeeeek!!!!!!!
Posted by: Clare, Lanarkshire on 11:47pm Thu 3 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Los Angeles[/bold] wrote:
Clare in Despair [quote] I will stop this year because I'm determined now and I'm sick of it and I hate it![/quote] Good luck! Keep in mind cigarette companies have loaded fags with so many addictive chemicals your chances of kicking it easily are low. Focus your hate on them, the money they have taken from you, and the health too. Concentrated hate might see you through to success. LA [/quote] LA, can i focus also on the Government tho ; )
Los Angeles wrote:
Clare in Despair I will stop this year because I'm determined now and I'm sick of it and I hate it!
Good luck! Keep in mind cigarette companies have loaded fags with so many addictive chemicals your chances of kicking it easily are low. Focus your hate on them, the money they have taken from you, and the health too. Concentrated hate might see you through to success. LA
LA, can i focus also on the Government tho ; )
Posted by: Clare, Lanarkshire on 11:47pm Thu 3 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Curley Bill[/bold] wrote:
Jeez, Clare - have a fag and calm doon![/quote] Bill, LOL
Curley Bill wrote:
Jeez, Clare - have a fag and calm doon!
Bill, LOL
Posted by: Scamp on 11:48pm Thu 3 Apr 08
Clare...... Go see your GP and ask him to prescribe you a new anti smoking drug called Champix... It works.. I've stopped completely and I was smoking 40 cigarettes/day.
Clare...... Go see your GP and ask him to prescribe you a new anti smoking drug called Champix... It works.. I've stopped completely and I was smoking 40 cigarettes/day.
Posted by: Clare, Lanarkshire on 11:50pm Thu 3 Apr 08
Karin, i'm goin to put a wee photie of him in my bag! Every time I want to go and buy a pack I'll see it. That should do the trick!
Karin, i'm goin to put a wee photie of him in my bag! Every time I want to go and buy a pack I'll see it. That should do the trick!
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 11:50pm Thu 3 Apr 08
Gordon Brewer gets it wrong again. On the discussion on high finance and mortgage problems tonight Gordon was shot down several times by the experts in his postulatiing on these topics. “…well that’s not exactly right said one lady he was interviewing”.
He also appears to have a short memory . About two minutes after the American, Mr Volker, stated that Magrahi should stay in Scotland to serve his sentence and said that the US was involved in setting up the trial and its conditions at Camp Zeist, the bold Gordon said to Glenn Campbell “…. if I remember correctly the Americans set up Camp Zeist? He really is losing it.
Gordon Brewer gets it wrong again. On the discussion on high finance and mortgage problems tonight Gordon was shot down several times by the experts in his postulatiing on these topics. “…well that’s not exactly right said one lady he was interviewing”.
He also appears to have a short memory . About two minutes after the American, Mr Volker, stated that Magrahi should stay in Scotland to serve his sentence and said that the US was involved in setting up the trial and its conditions at Camp Zeist, the bold Gordon said to Glenn Campbell “…. if I remember correctly the Americans set up Camp Zeist? He really is losing it.
Posted by: gerad, inverclyde on 12:02am Fri 4 Apr 08
We have a endless supply of idiots in Greenock, so Mr Cairns and the Ladour party are safe and they know it.
We have a endless supply of idiots in Greenock, so Mr Cairns and the Ladour party are safe and they know it.
Posted by: Colin B, Bearsden on 12:06am Fri 4 Apr 08
these working class Labour wasters will huff and puff then file into the Labour lobbies- just as the many narrow minded uneducated Scots do at election time
these working class Labour wasters will huff and puff then file into the Labour lobbies- just as the many narrow minded uneducated Scots do at election time
Posted by: Tired of excuses, Galashiels on 12:07am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Karin[/bold] wrote:
clare youve just convinced me to stop smoking. Im giving gordon brown money eeeeeeeeek!!!!!!![/quote] Grow your own tobacco, it grows well enough in Scotland. No tax unless you sell it.
Karin wrote:
clare youve just convinced me to stop smoking. Im giving gordon brown money eeeeeeeeek!!!!!!!
Grow your own tobacco, it grows well enough in Scotland. No tax unless you sell it.
Posted by: Colin B, Bearsden on 12:11am Fri 4 Apr 08
Dopey Dougie was awful on Question Time- pedantically disputing what he'd said when it was repeated to him with the double negative re disrespect reversed out. He clearly fails to grasp issues.
Dopey Dougie was awful on Question Time- pedantically disputing what he'd said when it was repeated to him with the double negative re disrespect reversed out. He clearly fails to grasp issues.
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 12:34am Fri 4 Apr 08
It really is hillareous, THE NEW LABOUR PARTY has - acording
to "Sister" Wendy, just re-discovered "socialism" and now we find
yet another policy specifically set to hammer the poorest sectors in
society. Is this what a NEW LABOUR "moral compass, " a "son
of the manse" looks like in practise?
And tonight we had the unedifying prospect of that other NEW
LABOUR animal and war-criminal, Blair, giving a speech in
a Cathedral setting out the case for including religious nutters
like him in all aspects of the decision - making proccesses in
society.
And so I wonder if THE NEW LABOUR Cyber- Pimps, like am2,
proud to be a plonker, etc will still be in hiding as they tend to
do - like rats on the sinking ship - whenever yet another debacle
occurs? It truely must be hell on Earth supporting such a rable
as this crypto-fascist trash!
It really is hillareous, THE NEW LABOUR PARTY has - acording
to "Sister" Wendy, just re-discovered "socialism" and now we find
yet another policy specifically set to hammer the poorest sectors in
society. Is this what a NEW LABOUR "moral compass, " a "son
of the manse" looks like in practise?
And tonight we had the unedifying prospect of that other NEW
LABOUR animal and war-criminal, Blair, giving a speech in
a Cathedral setting out the case for including religious nutters
like him in all aspects of the decision - making proccesses in
society.
And so I wonder if THE NEW LABOUR Cyber- Pimps, like am2,
proud to be a plonker, etc will still be in hiding as they tend to
do - like rats on the sinking ship - whenever yet another debacle
occurs? It truely must be hell on Earth supporting such a rable
as this crypto-fascist trash!
Posted by: clochoderic, renfrashur on 12:49am Fri 4 Apr 08
Wee Dougie is, as we contituents might call him, a trumpet. Since he was awarded the keys to the constituency he rarely turns up in public due to his no-doubt onerous tasks of buggering up elections, doing sleazy deals in Bermuda and parrotting Broon`s spin doctors` latest wheeze on the telly.
What a fud.
Wee Dougie is, as we contituents might call him, a trumpet. Since he was awarded the keys to the constituency he rarely turns up in public due to his no-doubt onerous tasks of buggering up elections, doing sleazy deals in Bermuda and parrotting Broon`s spin doctors` latest wheeze on the telly.
What a fud.
Posted by: HenMcStoorie, Port William on 12:49am Fri 4 Apr 08
Anybody fancy starting a "give up smoking" campagne.
You got me thinking Clare.
Only thing is, I fancy one now.
Anybody fancy starting a "give up smoking" campagne.
You got me thinking Clare.
Only thing is, I fancy one now.
Posted by: Kinghob, Scotland on 1:25am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Colin B[/bold] wrote:
these working class Labour wasters will huff and puff then file into the Labour lobbies- just as the many narrow minded uneducated Scots do at election time[/quote] Except the last time not enough "Labour Wasters" turned up in suitable numbers to inflict these no hopes upon Scotland, so what makes you think things have improved now or will in the future?
Far from it mate.
Or did I miss a meeting? lol
Colin B wrote:
these working class Labour wasters will huff and puff then file into the Labour lobbies- just as the many narrow minded uneducated Scots do at election time
Except the last time not enough "Labour Wasters" turned up in suitable numbers to inflict these no hopes upon Scotland, so what makes you think things have improved now or will in the future?
Far from it mate.
Or did I miss a meeting? lol
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 1:40am Fri 4 Apr 08
I smoke untaxed cigarettes. I pay one pound eighty a pack. Screw the dealer man.
I smoke untaxed cigarettes. I pay one pound eighty a pack. Screw the dealer man.
Posted by: David, Scotland on 1:42am Fri 4 Apr 08
Be fair. [bold]He spoke the truth and then realised he was also speaking for the Labour Government and retracted it[/bold] quick smart. So no harm done. Normal service resumed....
Be fair.
He spoke the truth and then realised he was also speaking for the Labour Government and retracted it quick smart. So no harm done. Normal service resumed....
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 1:46am Fri 4 Apr 08
[bold]SOCIALISM[/bold] alive and well within Labour?
aye right!
SOCIALISM alive and well within Labour?
aye right!
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 1:59am Fri 4 Apr 08
LIARS alive and well within liebour?
Right enough!
LIARS alive and well within liebour?
Right enough!
Posted by: Kinghob, Scotland on 2:10am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]David[/bold] wrote:
Be fair. [bold]He spoke the truth and then realised he was also speaking for the Labour Government and retracted it[/bold] quick smart. So no harm done. Normal service resumed....[/quote] Errrr... "[bold]Labour[/bold] and [bold]Truth[/bold] ?" in one sentence?
Not in 2008 mate.
David wrote:
Be fair. He spoke the truth and then realised he was also speaking for the Labour Government and retracted it quick smart. So no harm done. Normal service resumed....
Errrr... "
Labour and
Truth ?" in one sentence?
Not in 2008 mate.
Posted by: Kinghob, Scotland on 2:11am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]David[/bold] wrote:
Be fair. [bold]He spoke the truth and then realised he was also speaking for the Labour Government and retracted it[/bold] quick smart. So no harm done. Normal service resumed....[/quote] Errrr... "[bold]Labour[/bold] and [bold]Truth[/bold] ?" in one sentence?
Not in 2008 mate.
David wrote:
Be fair. He spoke the truth and then realised he was also speaking for the Labour Government and retracted it quick smart. So no harm done. Normal service resumed....
Errrr... "
Labour and
Truth ?" in one sentence?
Not in 2008 mate.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 4:06am Fri 4 Apr 08
isnt it funny the poor never pay the tax that is supposed to pay for their nhs treatment so says scunnert. Blaw is currently free of tax marijuanna the last bastion of freedom in a labour inspired tax maximisation zone. Wait till browns cronies show him this post he will be so sad he'll pull another u turn brown and bloody legalise it except of course for homegrown which he has trouble taxing as the poor dont pay tax. the corporation tax and the ease with which he could laugh at publicans closing to make way for dutch style coffee shops not to mention ending the need for farm subsidies from the eu. everybody keep it stergy nobody tell him
isnt it funny the poor never pay the tax that is supposed to pay for their nhs treatment so says scunnert. Blaw is currently free of tax marijuanna the last bastion of freedom in a labour inspired tax maximisation zone. Wait till browns cronies show him this post he will be so sad he'll pull another u turn brown and bloody legalise it except of course for homegrown which he has trouble taxing as the poor dont pay tax. the corporation tax and the ease with which he could laugh at publicans closing to make way for dutch style coffee shops not to mention ending the need for farm subsidies from the eu. everybody keep it stergy nobody tell him
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 4:13am Fri 4 Apr 08
"One disgruntled MP told The Herald: "We have done a lot to help business and the better-off, but we are in danger of losing our core vote. Gordon is not listening.""
Aye and us canny scots sniffed you out a few years ago. We saw you all saying one thing and doing the very opposite of what you got elected on.
If you cheat me shame on you, If you cheat me again. Shame on me!
The only people Labour can attract are people on the make , sheep or party activists looking for grace and favour. to which you have been very generous as a party at a quango level.
Scotland is sick fed up of it. Snide and cynical doublespeak is only a thing you here these days any time labour speaks. At the end of what they say your not really any clearer on what they just said. In essence they are so vague and two sided.
I am glad I swithed from LAbour. Until Mcconnel and co took over the young socialists the party was ok. The tories convinced the old guard they would manage better. From then on in they have engraciated their pals in labour and seized control. They were aware in 1985 poitics works in cycles. You get elected for a few years then as a aprty you get dumped for a few. All they are are tories dressed up like caring socialists or social reformers.
[bold]
All words and no actions.[/bold]
[bold]I also note these fine REBELS(lol) Never got all anarchistic during the Iraq war? Were all the spines rented out that day to the million people outside walking past?No. It was purely for gain. The only MPs and MSPS to vote against got deselected. Thats how labour work now[/bold]
"One disgruntled MP told The Herald: "We have done a lot to help business and the better-off, but we are in danger of losing our core vote. Gordon is not listening.""
Aye and us canny scots sniffed you out a few years ago. We saw you all saying one thing and doing the very opposite of what you got elected on.
If you cheat me shame on you, If you cheat me again. Shame on me!
The only people Labour can attract are people on the make , sheep or party activists looking for grace and favour. to which you have been very generous as a party at a quango level.
Scotland is sick fed up of it. Snide and cynical doublespeak is only a thing you here these days any time labour speaks. At the end of what they say your not really any clearer on what they just said. In essence they are so vague and two sided.
I am glad I swithed from LAbour. Until Mcconnel and co took over the young socialists the party was ok. The tories convinced the old guard they would manage better. From then on in they have engraciated their pals in labour and seized control. They were aware in 1985 poitics works in cycles. You get elected for a few years then as a aprty you get dumped for a few. All they are are tories dressed up like caring socialists or social reformers.
All words and no actions.
I also note these fine REBELS(lol) Never got all anarchistic during the Iraq war? Were all the spines rented out that day to the million people outside walking past?No. It was purely for gain. The only MPs and MSPS to vote against got deselected. Thats how labour work now Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 4:16am Fri 4 Apr 08
Sorry for typos :-0 tired and out of sync fingers :-)
Sorry for typos :-0 tired and out of sync fingers :-)
Posted by: pencildick on 4:19am Fri 4 Apr 08
They can revolt all they want
Broon has SPOKEN.
They can revolt all they want
Broon has SPOKEN.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 4:25am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote]As the row broke, the Bradford MP performed a remarkable volteface and issued a second statement, declaring: "My comments do not accurately reflect my views."[/quote] [bold]bold[/bold]
As the row broke, the Bradford MP performed a remarkable volteface and issued a second statement, declaring: "My comments do not accurately reflect my views."
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 5:10am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]John Leven[/bold] wrote:
When you see someone like Rosemary McKenna who's private polls are probably telling her that if an election was held now she would loose her seat starting to panic and ask questions, after years of mind numbing loyalty, you know they are in trouble, and the few sensible MPs they have left know it. How long before a group of MSPs break away and form Scottish Labour and ditch Wendy? If they backed sensible policies from the goverment, and provided decent opposition when that was required, they could be an asset to Holyrood. Big question, do any of them have the courage and the brain power to do it, or will they follow Wendy and Broon like the load of lemmings that most of them are?[/quote] The trouble is the way New Labouratory works now is that your damned if you do and damned if you dont.
Look at Iraq. The MPs and Msp's who voted against such a keystone policy all got deselected from on high. So even if they face the rath of the voters it's nothing compared to the party.
At least if they stay loyal like cannon fodder. They might still get a nice wee apointment later on. Or passed over to the friendly head of a quango to renumerate you.
John Leven wrote:
When you see someone like Rosemary McKenna who's private polls are probably telling her that if an election was held now she would loose her seat starting to panic and ask questions, after years of mind numbing loyalty, you know they are in trouble, and the few sensible MPs they have left know it. How long before a group of MSPs break away and form Scottish Labour and ditch Wendy? If they backed sensible policies from the goverment, and provided decent opposition when that was required, they could be an asset to Holyrood. Big question, do any of them have the courage and the brain power to do it, or will they follow Wendy and Broon like the load of lemmings that most of them are?
The trouble is the way New Labouratory works now is that your damned if you do and damned if you dont.
Look at Iraq. The MPs and Msp's who voted against such a keystone policy all got deselected from on high. So even if they face the rath of the voters it's nothing compared to the party.
At least if they stay loyal like cannon fodder. They might still get a nice wee apointment later on. Or passed over to the friendly head of a quango to renumerate you.
Posted by: AlreadyGone, UAE on 5:46am Fri 4 Apr 08
Och it's back to the future A la 1970's !
Labour have this endless cycle in power:
Promise the brave new world, Blow all the public money, See no improvement, Run out of money, Borrow money, Demonise and Tax Tax Tax the wealth creators, Wealth creators leave country (cos they can), Other countries benefit from our wealth creators, Regular workers and low paid left behind get stiffed with the increasing bill! Labour start to polarise, [italic][bold]BIG BANG[/bold][/italic] , someone hits self destruct button!
Only bright side is that some in Scotland are starting to question this mad tax and spend mentality. Aye Right!
Och it's back to the future A la 1970's !
Labour have this endless cycle in power:
Promise the brave new world, Blow all the public money, See no improvement, Run out of money, Borrow money, Demonise and Tax Tax Tax the wealth creators, Wealth creators leave country (cos they can), Other countries benefit from our wealth creators, Regular workers and low paid left behind get stiffed with the increasing bill! Labour start to polarise,
BIG BANG , someone hits self destruct button!
Only bright side is that some in Scotland are starting to question this mad tax and spend mentality. Aye Right!
Posted by: AlreadyGone, UAE on 5:47am Fri 4 Apr 08
Och it's back to the future A la 1970's !
Labour have this endless cycle in power:
Promise the brave new world, Blow all the public money, See no improvement, Run out of money, Borrow money, Demonise and Tax Tax Tax the wealth creators, Wealth creators leave country (cos they can), Other countries benefit from our wealth creators, Regular workers and low paid left behind get stiffed with the increasing bill! Labour start to polarise, [italic][bold]BIG BANG[/bold][/italic] , someone hits self destruct button!
Only bright side is that some in Scotland are starting to question this mad tax and spend mentality. Aye Right!
Och it's back to the future A la 1970's !
Labour have this endless cycle in power:
Promise the brave new world, Blow all the public money, See no improvement, Run out of money, Borrow money, Demonise and Tax Tax Tax the wealth creators, Wealth creators leave country (cos they can), Other countries benefit from our wealth creators, Regular workers and low paid left behind get stiffed with the increasing bill! Labour start to polarise,
BIG BANG , someone hits self destruct button!
Only bright side is that some in Scotland are starting to question this mad tax and spend mentality. Aye Right!
Posted by: mt on 6:30am Fri 4 Apr 08
"Clare, Lanarkshire,
It used to be cigarette increases were around 2 or 3 pence, then it was 5 pence, now they aren't even embarrassed by the fact that they use smokers as a form of raising revenue when it suits and will add 11p on without flinching! Meanwhile retailers add their own separate increases at the drop of a hat by 4p at a time. It is shocking. Now they add 50p to a bottle of whisky and its the end of the world. Don't we realise that whisky in Scotland does as much damage as cigarettes? The hypocrisy is nauseating. "
[bold]Aggregates Tax has just gone up from £1.60 to £1.95 per tonne (+VAT), an increase of 22%.
Landfill Tax is up £8.00 to £32.00 per tonne, and will rise in the next three years to almost £50.00 per tonne (+VAT)[/bold]
"Clare, Lanarkshire,
I will stop this year because I'm determined now and I'm sick of it and I hate it! I wish on this government the horror of every single smoker in the country stopping on the same day, at the same hour. The Chancellor will die of shock overnight and they will have to put at least 5p on the basic rate at least to recover their losses. Every packet of cigarettes sold in this country sends 85% of its cost straight to the Treasury"
[bold]Wish you well in giving up smoking but how can we give up building houses, roads and throwing away our rubbish?
[/bold]
"Clare, Lanarkshire,
It used to be cigarette increases were around 2 or 3 pence, then it was 5 pence, now they aren't even embarrassed by the fact that they use smokers as a form of raising revenue when it suits and will add 11p on without flinching! Meanwhile retailers add their own separate increases at the drop of a hat by 4p at a time. It is shocking. Now they add 50p to a bottle of whisky and its the end of the world. Don't we realise that whisky in Scotland does as much damage as cigarettes? The hypocrisy is nauseating. "
Aggregates Tax has just gone up from £1.60 to £1.95 per tonne (+VAT), an increase of 22%.
Landfill Tax is up £8.00 to £32.00 per tonne, and will rise in the next three years to almost £50.00 per tonne (+VAT)
"Clare, Lanarkshire,
I will stop this year because I'm determined now and I'm sick of it and I hate it! I wish on this government the horror of every single smoker in the country stopping on the same day, at the same hour. The Chancellor will die of shock overnight and they will have to put at least 5p on the basic rate at least to recover their losses. Every packet of cigarettes sold in this country sends 85% of its cost straight to the Treasury"
Wish you well in giving up smoking but how can we give up building houses, roads and throwing away our rubbish?
Posted by: oldmack, Scotland on 6:46am Fri 4 Apr 08
"MPs' expenses claims to be revealed"
I do believe I may have found the ANSWER to the revolt by various MP's.
http://thescotsman.s
cotsman.com/latest-n
ational-news/MPs39-e
xpenses-claims-to-be
.3947869.jp
"MPs' expenses claims to be revealed"
I do believe I may have found the ANSWER to the revolt by various MP's.
http://thescotsman.s
cotsman.com/latest-n
ational-news/MPs39-e
xpenses-claims-to-be
.3947869.jp
Posted by: teamdroid on 7:55am Fri 4 Apr 08
Did any Scottish journalist ask Wendy what impact the abolition of the 10 rate will have on vulnerable two year olds?
Na, thought not.
Did any Scottish journalist ask Wendy what impact the abolition of the 10 rate will have on vulnerable two year olds?
Na, thought not.
Posted by: Rodmac, Glasgow, Scotland on 8:32am Fri 4 Apr 08
Hurray, it's official - Labour MPs are revolting ! !
Hurray, it's official - Labour MPs are revolting ! !
Posted by: willie46, fife on 8:49am Fri 4 Apr 08
Did you note on Question Time wee Dougie said that the whole World was looking to the Electoral Commission to do their job? No cheating by any other EC except ours.
Did you note on Question Time wee Dougie said that the whole World was looking to the Electoral Commission to do their job? No cheating by any other EC except ours.
Posted by: indyleith, edinburgh on 9:00am Fri 4 Apr 08
'The abolition of the 10p tax rate will hit the low paid', surely not? Should Wendy the born again socialist not be standing up for Scotland and voicing her disapproval? No, thought she wouldnt. As for Brown, a scotch on the rocks if ever i saw one. Labour are all over the place, who would want to vote for that lot.
Id also like to kick the smoking this year, be a good idea to stick a pic of Gordon Brown on a pack, that would be a real spur to deprive him of our money.
'The abolition of the 10p tax rate will hit the low paid', surely not? Should Wendy the born again socialist not be standing up for Scotland and voicing her disapproval? No, thought she wouldnt. As for Brown, a scotch on the rocks if ever i saw one. Labour are all over the place, who would want to vote for that lot.
Id also like to kick the smoking this year, be a good idea to stick a pic of Gordon Brown on a pack, that would be a real spur to deprive him of our money.
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 9:03am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote]Labour MPs are revolting ! ![/quote]
All MPs are revolting, would you allow your daughter, or son even to marry one?
I notice they're keeping fairly quiet on the abolition of the 10p in the pound tax on the very low earners. Maybe they think if they provide us with cheap cigarettes and drink we'll start to love them again!
Labour MPs are revolting ! !
All MPs are revolting, would you allow your daughter, or son even to marry one?
I notice they're keeping fairly quiet on the abolition of the 10p in the pound tax on the very low earners. Maybe they think if they provide us with cheap cigarettes and drink we'll start to love them again!
Posted by: Carnwarth on 9:11am Fri 4 Apr 08
A rather slow New Labour MP grunts -
"We have done a lot to help business and the better-off, but we are in danger of losing our core vote. Gordon is not listening."
That's what we've been telling you right-wing clowns for years.
A rather slow New Labour MP grunts -
"We have done a lot to help business and the better-off, but we are in danger of losing our core vote. Gordon is not listening."
That's what we've been telling you right-wing clowns for years.
Posted by: The West Awake, Argyll on 9:31am Fri 4 Apr 08
"Rosemary McKenna, the normally loyal MP for Cumbernauld"
- means dead from the neck up. A quality which never had to bother Labour people before May.
"Rosemary McKenna, the normally loyal MP for Cumbernauld"
- means dead from the neck up. A quality which never had to bother Labour people before May.
Posted by: sam, greenock on 9:31am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]gerad[/bold] wrote:
We have a endless supply of idiots in Greenock, so Mr Cairns and the Ladour party are safe and they know it.[/quote] Aye,
But not only are the doing the voting some of them are getting voted in too. Donkey McNeil(hee haw hee haw), Trish Godman and as you've said above that gay blade Davy Cairns
I rest your case.......
gerad wrote:
We have a endless supply of idiots in Greenock, so Mr Cairns and the Ladour party are safe and they know it.
Aye,
But not only are the doing the voting some of them are getting voted in too. Donkey McNeil(hee haw hee haw), Trish Godman and as you've said above that gay blade Davy Cairns
I rest your case.......
Posted by: awh, Dumfries on 9:40am Fri 4 Apr 08
Same old sewer on the comments page I see. I would have thought people would be happy that the scottish labour party and the scottish national party saw eye to eye on the need to make booze more expensive. They both march to the same drum of protestant disavowal of booze on this one.
Isn't Scotland totally schizoid on this one one half tee-total ramrod straight in its disaproval of earthly pleasures, the other too busy rolling in the sewer from one fight to the next shag to pay any notice?
Same old sewer on the comments page I see. I would have thought people would be happy that the scottish labour party and the scottish national party saw eye to eye on the need to make booze more expensive. They both march to the same drum of protestant disavowal of booze on this one.
Isn't Scotland totally schizoid on this one one half tee-total ramrod straight in its disaproval of earthly pleasures, the other too busy rolling in the sewer from one fight to the next shag to pay any notice?
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 9:40am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
Saw wee Douglas Alexander on Question time. He looks like the sniveling little school swot and teachers pet.[/quote] Pixie of Snivel from the Axis of Drivel.
Wullie wrote:
Saw wee Douglas Alexander on Question time. He looks like the sniveling little school swot and teachers pet.
Pixie of Snivel from the Axis of Drivel.
Posted by: roger, Glasgow on 9:44am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]The West Awake[/bold] wrote:
"Rosemary McKenna, the normally loyal MP for Cumbernauld" - means dead from the neck up. A quality which never had to bother Labour people before May.[/quote] means she's keiching herself as the SNP took Cumbernauld last May.
The West Awake wrote:
"Rosemary McKenna, the normally loyal MP for Cumbernauld" - means dead from the neck up. A quality which never had to bother Labour people before May.
means she's keiching herself as the SNP took Cumbernauld last May.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 9:44am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Donald Anderson[/bold] wrote:
[quote]As the row broke, the Bradford MP performed a remarkable volteface and issued a second statement, declaring: "My comments do not accurately reflect my views."[/quote] [bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] Makes a change from their other favourite, "Taken out of context".
Donald Anderson wrote:
As the row broke, the Bradford MP performed a remarkable volteface and issued a second statement, declaring: "My comments do not accurately reflect my views."
Makes a change from their other favourite, "Taken out of context".
Posted by: awh, Dumfries on 9:45am Fri 4 Apr 08
Most of the above commentators (sic) write like inebriate monkeys with a grudge. So perhaps that is why they are upset. Don't forget a majority of Scots voted for and will continue to vote for the labour party so you are branding your friends and family and workmates with the same vile slurs you reserve for the labour party.
When is the herald going to moderate this sewer and stop anonymous posting?
Most of the above commentators (sic) write like inebriate monkeys with a grudge. So perhaps that is why they are upset. Don't forget a majority of Scots voted for and will continue to vote for the labour party so you are branding your friends and family and workmates with the same vile slurs you reserve for the labour party.
When is the herald going to moderate this sewer and stop anonymous posting?
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 9:52am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]awh[/bold] wrote:
Most of the above commentators (sic) write like inebriate monkeys with a grudge. So perhaps that is why they are upset. Don't forget a majority of Scots voted for and will continue to vote for the labour party so you are branding your friends and family and workmates with the same vile slurs you reserve for the labour party. When is the herald going to moderate this sewer and stop anonymous posting?[/quote] Indeed. Even though a majority of Scots did not in fact vote for Labour at the last elections, making the SNP the largest party in Holyrood and local government, it is best that Labour types just ignore that and insist on their rights to have such a majority. It is a clear affront, and possibly just an error on peoples' parts that they did not vote Labour.
Statements like a "majority of Scots voters will continue to vote Labour" could be misinterpreted as total arrogance, were they not properly understood as mere certain prediction that the natural order of things will be restored. Right-wing policies such as Iraq, Trident, cutting millionaire's inheritance tax, abolishing the lower 10p rate of tax have no bearing on how people perceive Labour.
awh wrote:
Most of the above commentators (sic) write like inebriate monkeys with a grudge. So perhaps that is why they are upset. Don't forget a majority of Scots voted for and will continue to vote for the labour party so you are branding your friends and family and workmates with the same vile slurs you reserve for the labour party. When is the herald going to moderate this sewer and stop anonymous posting?
Indeed. Even though a majority of Scots did not in fact vote for Labour at the last elections, making the SNP the largest party in Holyrood and local government, it is best that Labour types just ignore that and insist on their rights to have such a majority. It is a clear affront, and possibly just an error on peoples' parts that they did not vote Labour.
Statements like a "majority of Scots voters will continue to vote Labour" could be misinterpreted as total arrogance, were they not properly understood as mere certain prediction that the natural order of things will be restored. Right-wing policies such as Iraq, Trident, cutting millionaire's inheritance tax, abolishing the lower 10p rate of tax have no bearing on how people perceive Labour.
Posted by: Colin B, Bearsden on 9:53am Fri 4 Apr 08
awh, majority did not vote for LAbour in May 2007. Seems anonymous monker = hypocrite
awh, majority did not vote for LAbour in May 2007. Seems anonymous monker = hypocrite
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 9:55am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote]When is the herald going to moderate this sewer and stop anonymous posting?[/quote]
And you are, [bold]ahw[/bold] of Dumfries?
When is the herald going to moderate this sewer and stop anonymous posting?
And you are,
ahw of Dumfries?
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 9:59am Fri 4 Apr 08
Slab Mwps going to go balistic when it starts to sink in that the comres poll has them BEHIND the tories in Scotland as well as in England.
The tories in England will be using that poll to strengthen their arguement in the comming local elections, pointing to the fact that lab are finished in Scotland.
Meanwhile nicol and the fibs still brown nose wendy as she prepares to hand back powers from Holyrood to a tory gov in london.
It's ironic that lab say devolution was created to protect Scotland from the ravages of a london tory gov.
Slab Mwps going to go balistic when it starts to sink in that the comres poll has them BEHIND the tories in Scotland as well as in England.
The tories in England will be using that poll to strengthen their arguement in the comming local elections, pointing to the fact that lab are finished in Scotland.
Meanwhile nicol and the fibs still brown nose wendy as she prepares to hand back powers from Holyrood to a tory gov in london.
It's ironic that lab say devolution was created to protect Scotland from the ravages of a london tory gov.
Posted by: Rodmac, Glasgow, Scotland on 10:02am Fri 4 Apr 08
awh at 9.40
Government statistics (the census) shows that ten/eleven times as much shagging goes on in England than in Scotland.
awh at 9.40
Government statistics (the census) shows that ten/eleven times as much shagging goes on in England than in Scotland.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:05am Fri 4 Apr 08
Duns
How many Labour "revolts" have there been in the last few years that came to nothing? I've lost count.
Duns
How many Labour "revolts" have there been in the last few years that came to nothing? I've lost count.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 10:11am Fri 4 Apr 08
Yes it looks like [bold]browntrouser[/bold] is going to eat his baby. He has lost touch with planet earth. Eat the fingers on your right hand [bold]browntrouser[/bold] .
Yes it looks like
browntrouser is going to eat his baby. He has lost touch with planet earth. Eat the fingers on your right hand
browntrouser .
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:15am Fri 4 Apr 08
Ronald Glasgow[quote]I wonder if THE NEW LABOUR Cyber- Pimps, like am2, proud to be a plonker,[/quote] LoL - I'm still chuckling. Don't forget the "working class anarchist" Hamish "Chairman" Krapology.
Ronald Glasgow
I wonder if THE NEW LABOUR Cyber- Pimps, like am2, proud to be a plonker,
LoL - I'm still chuckling. Don't forget the "working class anarchist" Hamish "Chairman" Krapology.
Posted by: Lobeydosser, Woodlands Road on 10:17am Fri 4 Apr 08
Claire & Karin, good luck, but I liked the idea of Gordon Brown on a packet of cigarettes to help people stop smoking; I wonder if the monks at Buckfastleigh will do the same to their bottles.
Seriously though, the scrapping of the 10% grips my ring because there are loads of low paid people knocking their pans in just to keep body & soul together and now the carpet has been pulled from under them.
Get rid of these labour clowns next election.
Claire & Karin, good luck, but I liked the idea of Gordon Brown on a packet of cigarettes to help people stop smoking; I wonder if the monks at Buckfastleigh will do the same to their bottles.
Seriously though, the scrapping of the 10% grips my ring because there are loads of low paid people knocking their pans in just to keep body & soul together and now the carpet has been pulled from under them.
Get rid of these labour clowns next election.
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 10:18am Fri 4 Apr 08
Re Question Time last night, wee Dougie Alexander has a rather long nose and I could see it getting longer, and longer, and longer every time he answered a question. Perhaps we should call him Pinnochio Alexander
The arrogance of the man knows no limits and I am amazed that no one on the panel last night had the savvy to take him on.
John Humphries should take over the chair on QT, perhaps then we might enjoy some squirming by these so called politicians.
Re Question Time last night, wee Dougie Alexander has a rather long nose and I could see it getting longer, and longer, and longer every time he answered a question. Perhaps we should call him Pinnochio Alexander
The arrogance of the man knows no limits and I am amazed that no one on the panel last night had the savvy to take him on.
John Humphries should take over the chair on QT, perhaps then we might enjoy some squirming by these so called politicians.
Posted by: awh, Dumfries on 10:23am Fri 4 Apr 08
In the general election the majority of Scots voted labour and all the polls continue to suggest that that will be the case. The last election was very narrowly won by the SNP. In terms of total votes the unionist parties carried the day handsdown. There is no evidence to suggest that will change.
Labour have increased the pay of the lowest paid by over 60% raised countless thousands out of poverty and raised the overall wealth of the country. Not bad. The SNP have only be in power six months and look at the disaster in Aberdeen- soon to be repeated across Scotland.
In the general election the majority of Scots voted labour and all the polls continue to suggest that that will be the case. The last election was very narrowly won by the SNP. In terms of total votes the unionist parties carried the day handsdown. There is no evidence to suggest that will change.
Labour have increased the pay of the lowest paid by over 60% raised countless thousands out of poverty and raised the overall wealth of the country. Not bad. The SNP have only be in power six months and look at the disaster in Aberdeen- soon to be repeated across Scotland.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:29am Fri 4 Apr 08
AWH Dumbfries[quote]In the general election the majority of Scots voted labour and all the polls continue to suggest that that will be the case.[/quote] Please god, I'll believe in you if you make my prediction come true, please, please, please, with sugar on top.
AWH Dumbfries
In the general election the majority of Scots voted labour and all the polls continue to suggest that that will be the case.
Please god, I'll believe in you if you make my prediction come true, please, please, please, with sugar on top.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:32am Fri 4 Apr 08
awh, Dumfries on 9:40am today
Aye loads of neds drinking 15year old glenmorangie..... Alistair Darling went out of his way to say that the hike in alcohol had nothing to do with tackling the drinking problem you apologist idiot......
It was simply a tax grab to make money and by all accounts one that fitted his dual purpose of knocking the Scottish Economy.
[bold]It's Time AWH[/bold], no one is reading from New Labour's script anymore ahw, turn off the lights will ye.
awh, Dumfries on 9:40am today
Aye loads of neds drinking 15year old glenmorangie..... Alistair Darling went out of his way to say that the hike in alcohol had nothing to do with tackling the drinking problem you apologist idiot......
It was simply a tax grab to make money and by all accounts one that fitted his dual purpose of knocking the Scottish Economy.
It's Time AWH, no one is reading from New Labour's script anymore ahw, turn off the lights will ye.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:33am Fri 4 Apr 08
awh, Dumfries on 9:45am today
Labour for closing down free speech every time!
[bold]VOTE THIS DISGUSTING RIGHT WING PARTRY OUT IN 2010[/bold]
awh, Dumfries on 9:45am today
Labour for closing down free speech every time!
VOTE THIS DISGUSTING RIGHT WING PARTRY OUT IN 2010 Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 10:38am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]awh[/bold] wrote:
In the general election the majority of Scots voted labour and all the polls continue to suggest that that will be the case. The last election was very narrowly won by the SNP. In terms of total votes the unionist parties carried the day handsdown. There is no evidence to suggest that will change. Labour have increased the pay of the lowest paid by over 60% raised countless thousands out of poverty and raised the overall wealth of the country. Not bad. The SNP have only be in power six months and look at the disaster in Aberdeen- soon to be repeated across Scotland. [/quote] Good thing Labour are not closing 4000 post offices, sacking 10,000 disabled workers as they close Remploy factories and sacking 12,000 DWP workers while cutting inheritance tax, or people might talk about right-wing Labour cuts, and maybe even hypocrisy when they talk about "the vulnerable"?
Awh, can you put me right on something that confuses me? Why, if the SNP 5% funding increase for councils is so bad and will lead to cuts, did all Labour councils and the Labour chair of COSLA welcome it? Indeed, a Labour council even cut its council tax based on the funding package. Why are these Labour councils helping the SNP with their "cuts"?
awh wrote:
In the general election the majority of Scots voted labour and all the polls continue to suggest that that will be the case. The last election was very narrowly won by the SNP. In terms of total votes the unionist parties carried the day handsdown. There is no evidence to suggest that will change. Labour have increased the pay of the lowest paid by over 60% raised countless thousands out of poverty and raised the overall wealth of the country. Not bad. The SNP have only be in power six months and look at the disaster in Aberdeen- soon to be repeated across Scotland.
Good thing Labour are not closing 4000 post offices, sacking 10,000 disabled workers as they close Remploy factories and sacking 12,000 DWP workers while cutting inheritance tax, or people might talk about right-wing Labour cuts, and maybe even hypocrisy when they talk about "the vulnerable"?
Awh, can you put me right on something that confuses me? Why, if the SNP 5% funding increase for councils is so bad and will lead to cuts, did all Labour councils and the Labour chair of COSLA welcome it? Indeed, a Labour council even cut its council tax based on the funding package. Why are these Labour councils helping the SNP with their "cuts"?
Posted by: Seannair, Oban on 10:54am Fri 4 Apr 08
"Labour MPs in revolt" is an example of an oxymoron.
It regularly turns up in press headlines but it hardly ever actually happens.
These people are far too tied into their perks and allowances and their expectation of social advancement. The fact is that outside, in the real world that most of us inhabit, they would be unemployable.
"Labour MPs in revolt" is an example of an oxymoron.
It regularly turns up in press headlines but it hardly ever actually happens.
These people are far too tied into their perks and allowances and their expectation of social advancement. The fact is that outside, in the real world that most of us inhabit, they would be unemployable.
Posted by: donnelly, dundee on 10:58am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]tris[/bold] wrote:
I've never seen him. Does he look like his sister?[/quote] Hes not as visually difficult to comprehend ,,,,but in her case ....that would be pushing the bounds of genetics and possibilltiy beyond the extreme !!! ...
but I do love this constant new Labour fawning of " disagreements ...ie ..
....As the row broke, the Bradford MP[bold] performed a remarkable volteface and issued a second statement,[/bold] declaring: "My comments do not accurately reflect my views."
...oh my oh my ...such a constant old battle of social values and beliefs they continually struggle within themselves to overcome ....
...erm.....do I go with my heart and social conscience ....or do I continue the safe path with my nose in the "Gravy Train Trough " ..
...sickening and pathetic ...
tris wrote:
I've never seen him. Does he look like his sister?
Hes not as visually difficult to comprehend ,,,,but in her case ....that would be pushing the bounds of genetics and possibilltiy beyond the extreme !!! ...
but I do love this constant new Labour fawning of " disagreements ...ie ..
....As the row broke, the Bradford MP
performed a remarkable volteface and issued a second statement, declaring: "My comments do not accurately reflect my views."
...oh my oh my ...such a constant old battle of social values and beliefs they continually struggle within themselves to overcome ....
...erm.....do I go with my heart and social conscience ....or do I continue the safe path with my nose in the "Gravy Train Trough " ..
...sickening and pathetic ...
Posted by: Clare, Lanarkshire on 10:59am Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]awh[/bold] wrote:
Same old sewer on the comments page I see. I would have thought people would be happy that the scottish labour party and the scottish national party saw eye to eye on the need to make booze more expensive. They both march to the same drum of protestant disavowal of booze on this one. Isn't Scotland totally schizoid on this one one half tee-total ramrod straight in its disaproval of earthly pleasures, the other too busy rolling in the sewer from one fight to the next shag to pay any notice? [/quote] My goodness awh you clearly don't have a great variety of people in your sad little life! Is that why you're always so grumpy?
You also seem to think, from your other posts, that only your view has a right to be here. Until you accept that others can post here, whether you like them or not, you won't learn that art of scrolling straight past those you don't like to read and concentrating on the posts you find interesting. Its what most of us do.
As for your blind loyalty to the Labour Party you will find many in Scotland right now, who previously voted Labour, are at a crossroads politically because they can't in their hearts vote for that Party any more. Others previously of a Labour persuas