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Council to slash 425 jobs as tax freeze bites
More than 400 posts will go at Scotland's largest local authority to help meet the national target of freezing council tax for the following year, sparking fears of further job cuts across the country.
Despite additional cash from the Scottish Government to meet the costs of the freeze, Glasgow City Council has confirmed that it is looking to shed 1.5% of its staff, which equates to around 425 employees.
But the move has generated concern among unions over the potential loss of thousands of jobs across Scotland
to accommodate the wish of the government to keep council tax at 2007/2008 levels.
Areas targeted for staff reduction include the education department, where 124 teaching posts will go mostly as a result of school closures and mergers, direct and care services, where numbers will be trimmed by 150, and land and environmental services, where 116 jobs will be cut.
Glasgow has claimed there will not be compulsory redundancies and that most of the posts will go through natural wastage, early retirements and potentially voluntary redundancies.
The council has also claimed that efficiency savings over the last two years have resulted in the need for fewer staff in certain areas. But two of Scotland's leading unions have raised the spectre of Glasgow leading the way in redundancies to balance the books.
Alex McLuckie, GMB Scotland's senior organiser, said: "Our concern is the impact these proposals will have on jobs first within Glasgow and potentially the rest of Scotland. The council try to sanitise the situation by describing the impact as a 1.5% movement in posts. Our first action will be to minimise the effect these proposals have on jobs and to ensure that workers in Glasgow City Council are not made compulsorily redundant as a result of this budget. Workers' jobs will not be the price of this settlement."
Mike Kirby, Unison's Glasgow organiser, added: "We'll need to see the impact of zero council tax being applied across the country but if the biggest council can't manage to balance the books without significant job losses other councils may well be in similar difficulties."
A spokesman for the council said: "There will be no compulsory redundancies as a result of this budget.
"It is through efficiency savings and service reforms that we can freeze council tax levels and the reduction in staff will be achieved largely through natural wastage."
Glasgow has kept its council tax levels the same for the previous two years.
Glasgow City Treasurer Stephen Curran described this year's financial settlement as "tight, with a poorer increase than last year and the average of the last four years".
He added: "This administration paid for the council tax freeze. We paid it from efficiencies achieved through strong leadership and good governance that we can now, again, pass on to the people of Glasgow."
SNP MSP and Glasgow councillor Bill Kidd welcomed the freeze and said local authorities had received an above inflation increase in their budget despite a tight financial package from the UK Government. But he added: "The decision to cut staff numbers was made by the Labour administration on Glasgow City Council, any attempt to blame the government is ridiculous."
Yesterday, West Lothian also signalled its intention to keep council tax at its current rate for the next year and was aiming to maintain this until 2011, with a Band D property paying £1128-a-year. But it will be forced to make £6m in efficiency savings. East Lothian is also aiming to keep the current level until 2011, with a Band D property paying £1117-per-year.
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Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 12:03am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote]Areas targeted for staff reduction include the education department, where 124 teaching posts will go mostly as a result of school closures and mergers[/quote] So these job losses are not as a result of freezing council tax.
Areas targeted for staff reduction include the education department, where 124 teaching posts will go mostly as a result of school closures and mergers
So these job losses are not as a result of freezing council tax.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:03am Wed 13 Feb 08
A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP
SHAME SHAME SHAME
A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP
SHAME SHAME SHAME
Posted by: Scamp on 12:04am Wed 13 Feb 08
I don't have a problem with this. Cutting the size of the public sector should be welcomed especially if its to be achieved without compulsory redundancies.
I don't have a problem with this. Cutting the size of the public sector should be welcomed especially if its to be achieved without compulsory redundancies.
Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Perth on 12:06am Wed 13 Feb 08
I do have a problem with this!
If ring fencing was still in place, would these cuts still have taken place?
I do have a problem with this!
If ring fencing was still in place, would these cuts still have taken place?
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:07am Wed 13 Feb 08
Just another thing:-
Would it be possible for certain posters (we all know who they are) to refain from swearing and boorish commentary. We had the unfortunate spectre yesterday of a thread being closed after SNP supporters described WA as a silly cow and called other posters the 'c' word.
Some standards please
Just another thing:-
Would it be possible for certain posters (we all know who they are) to refain from swearing and boorish commentary. We had the unfortunate spectre yesterday of a thread being closed after SNP supporters described WA as a silly cow and called other posters the 'c' word.
Some standards please
Posted by: gordon Brown ate my hamster, Australia on 12:10am Wed 13 Feb 08
Expect to find the better run councils not laying off any staff.
Expect to find the better run councils not laying off any staff.
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:11am Wed 13 Feb 08
Glasgow has had council tax frozen for the last two years so why is it being presented as the SNP's fault when they are recieving money for a third year? Had labour won i assume that the tax would have stayed frozen under them and these cuts would have went ahead.
Glasgow has had council tax frozen for the last two years so why is it being presented as the SNP's fault when they are recieving money for a third year? Had labour won i assume that the tax would have stayed frozen under them and these cuts would have went ahead.
Posted by: Huttcity, New Zealand on 12:13am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP
SHAME SHAME SHAME[/quote] Do you think you are Tony Blair or something?
You need more work on your soundbites, they are as tired, old and discredited as your party.
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP
SHAME SHAME SHAME
Do you think you are Tony Blair or something?
You need more work on your soundbites, they are as tired, old and discredited as your party.
Posted by: Brian Blessed, Glasgow on 12:14am Wed 13 Feb 08
Maybe if the Labour administration hadn't caved in to the social care workers' barmy demands last year, less jobs would be being cut.
Maybe if the Labour administration hadn't caved in to the social care workers' barmy demands last year, less jobs would be being cut.
Posted by: Jimbo on 12:18am Wed 13 Feb 08
Isn't this in line with Gordon Brown's efficiency saving programme?
[quote]The decision to cut staff numbers was made by the Labour administration on Glasgow City Council, any attempt to blame the government is ridiculous.[/quote]
No doubt we'll get the usual anti Scottish brigade on here spinning and claiming that the SNP made them do it.
Isn't this in line with Gordon Brown's efficiency saving programme?
The decision to cut staff numbers was made by the Labour administration on Glasgow City Council, any attempt to blame the government is ridiculous.
No doubt we'll get the usual anti Scottish brigade on here spinning and claiming that the SNP made them do it.
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 12:20am Wed 13 Feb 08
PTBS said...
[quote]Would it be possible for certain posters (we all know who they are) to refain from swearing and boorish commentary. We had the unfortunate spectre yesterday of a thread being closed after SNP supporters described WA as a silly cow and called other posters the 'c' word.[/quote]
Yer havin' a laugh.... (Coffee pot etc..) You're one of the worst and you know it.
PTBS said...
Would it be possible for certain posters (we all know who they are) to refain from swearing and boorish commentary. We had the unfortunate spectre yesterday of a thread being closed after SNP supporters described WA as a silly cow and called other posters the 'c' word.
Yer havin' a laugh.... (Coffee pot etc..) You're one of the worst and you know it.
Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Perth on 12:20am Wed 13 Feb 08
megz,
I don't think you can hypothesize about what 'might of happened' if SLAB had got in power (doubtless you are right though), what's required is the realisation of what SNP policy on Council Tax may do to the country. If SLAB politicians welcome the CT freeze and then promptly make 1.5% of their staff redundant it will not look good on the SNP with SLAB councils blaming the SNP requested freeze
megz,
I don't think you can hypothesize about what 'might of happened' if SLAB had got in power (doubtless you are right though), what's required is the realisation of what SNP policy on Council Tax may do to the country. If SLAB politicians welcome the CT freeze and then promptly make 1.5% of their staff redundant it will not look good on the SNP with SLAB councils blaming the SNP requested freeze
Posted by: Huttcity, New Zealand on 12:21am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
Just another thing:-
Would it be possible for certain posters (we all know who they are) to refain from swearing and boorish commentary. We had the unfortunate spectre yesterday of a thread being closed after SNP supporters described WA as a silly cow and called other posters the 'c' word.
Some standards please[/quote] It's funny I was originally just going to abuse you, as I find you utterly contemptible, and unworthy of debate. But I thought better of it., as no doubt you would revel in it.
Rest assured , even if I don't say it, I am certainly thinking it.
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
Just another thing:-
Would it be possible for certain posters (we all know who they are) to refain from swearing and boorish commentary. We had the unfortunate spectre yesterday of a thread being closed after SNP supporters described WA as a silly cow and called other posters the 'c' word.
Some standards please
It's funny I was originally just going to abuse you, as I find you utterly contemptible, and unworthy of debate. But I thought better of it., as no doubt you would revel in it.
Rest assured , even if I don't say it, I am certainly thinking it.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:23am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Andrew BOD[/bold] wrote:
PTBS said... [quote]Would it be possible for certain posters (we all know who they are) to refain from swearing and boorish commentary. We had the unfortunate spectre yesterday of a thread being closed after SNP supporters described WA as a silly cow and called other posters the 'c' word.[/quote] Yer havin' a laugh.... (Coffee pot etc..) You're one of the worst and you know it. [/quote] Andrew
As you know I never start any name calling.
I never respond in as strong a way as certain gnat bloggers.
Might one suggest that you get your own ship in order before knocking what is a perfectly civil request.
Andrew BOD wrote:
PTBS said... Would it be possible for certain posters (we all know who they are) to refain from swearing and boorish commentary. We had the unfortunate spectre yesterday of a thread being closed after SNP supporters described WA as a silly cow and called other posters the 'c' word.
Yer havin' a laugh.... (Coffee pot etc..) You're one of the worst and you know it.
Andrew
As you know I never start any name calling.
I never respond in as strong a way as certain gnat bloggers.
Might one suggest that you get your own ship in order before knocking what is a perfectly civil request.
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 12:24am Wed 13 Feb 08
PTBS also said...
[quote]A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP
SHAME SHAME SHAME[/quote]
READ THE ARTICLE IF YOU'RE PROUD TO BE SCOTTISH....
[quote]A spokesman for the council said: "There will be no compulsory redundancies as a result of this budget.
"It is through efficiency savings and service reforms that we can freeze council tax levels and the reduction in staff will be achieved largely through natural wastage."
Glasgow has kept its council tax levels the same for the previous two years
[/quote]
Not quite the picture YOU paint, is it?
PTBS also said...
A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP
SHAME SHAME SHAME
READ THE ARTICLE IF YOU'RE PROUD TO BE SCOTTISH....
A spokesman for the council said: "There will be no compulsory redundancies as a result of this budget.
"It is through efficiency savings and service reforms that we can freeze council tax levels and the reduction in staff will be achieved largely through natural wastage."
Glasgow has kept its council tax levels the same for the previous two years
Not quite the picture YOU paint, is it?
Posted by: Huttcity, New Zealand on 12:25am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andrew BOD[/bold] wrote:
PTBS said... [quote]Would it be possible for certain posters (we all know who they are) to refain from swearing and boorish commentary. We had the unfortunate spectre yesterday of a thread being closed after SNP supporters described WA as a silly cow and called other posters the 'c' word.[/quote] Yer havin' a laugh.... (Coffee pot etc..) You're one of the worst and you know it. [/quote] Andrew
As you know I never start any name calling.
I never respond in as strong a way as certain gnat bloggers.
Might one suggest that you get your own ship in order before knocking what is a perfectly civil request.[/quote] [quote]I never start name calling[/quote]
[quote]certain gnat bloggers[/quote]
I am really thinking it right now...
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
Andrew BOD wrote:
PTBS said... Would it be possible for certain posters (we all know who they are) to refain from swearing and boorish commentary. We had the unfortunate spectre yesterday of a thread being closed after SNP supporters described WA as a silly cow and called other posters the 'c' word.
Yer havin' a laugh.... (Coffee pot etc..) You're one of the worst and you know it.
Andrew
As you know I never start any name calling.
I never respond in as strong a way as certain gnat bloggers.
Might one suggest that you get your own ship in order before knocking what is a perfectly civil request.
I never start name calling
certain gnat bloggers
I am really thinking it right now...
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:28am Wed 13 Feb 08
Well goodnight all. It will be interesting to see what the gnat nightshift do to try and sping 425 job losses into a great victory.
Tell that to those losing their jobs.
Another day another batch of gnat bloggers put to the sword by the truth.
Well goodnight all. It will be interesting to see what the gnat nightshift do to try and sping 425 job losses into a great victory.
Tell that to those losing their jobs.
Another day another batch of gnat bloggers put to the sword by the truth.
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 12:29am Wed 13 Feb 08
The council has also claimed that efficiency savings over the last two years have resulted in the need for fewer staff in certain areas.
So to echo comments above, this is not about the council tax freeze
The council has also claimed that efficiency savings over the last two years have resulted in the need for fewer staff in certain areas.
So to echo comments above, this is not about the council tax freeze
Posted by: subrosa on 12:30am Wed 13 Feb 08
At long last! Councils are beginning to get rid of dead wood. Well done, it's been a long time coming. Time all our councils were cleaning up their act and getting some efficiency.
At long last! Councils are beginning to get rid of dead wood. Well done, it's been a long time coming. Time all our councils were cleaning up their act and getting some efficiency.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:30am Wed 13 Feb 08
UNISON towing the Labour Party Lines again, even though their own members will benefit from reduced council tax and eventually when income tax comes in a fairer tax system.....
Anybody that knows Glasgow City Council knows that they are useless at resorucing their departments with huge overuns in personall in one and not a soul in others....
it's about time they joined the push for smaller government, less public purse parasites and a leaner economy.....
[bold]Well done Stephen Purcell![/bold]
UNISON towing the Labour Party Lines again, even though their own members will benefit from reduced council tax and eventually when income tax comes in a fairer tax system.....
Anybody that knows Glasgow City Council knows that they are useless at resorucing their departments with huge overuns in personall in one and not a soul in others....
it's about time they joined the push for smaller government, less public purse parasites and a leaner economy.....
Well done Stephen Purcell!
Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Perth on 12:31am Wed 13 Feb 08
Huttcity/Andrew BOD
Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears.
PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view.
Just because his views are wrong, doesn't make him a bad guy :)
Huttcity/Andrew BOD
Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears.
PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view.
Just because his views are wrong, doesn't make him a bad guy :)
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 12:32am Wed 13 Feb 08
It'll be interesting to see which councils cut staffing.
It'll be interesting to see which councils cut staffing.
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 12:35am Wed 13 Feb 08
And Das Herald Sturmer headline this story as fact!
And Das Herald Sturmer headline this story as fact!
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 12:36am Wed 13 Feb 08
PTBS said...
[quote]Andrew
As you know I never start any name calling.
I never respond in as strong a way as certain gnat bloggers.
Might one suggest that you get your own ship in order before knocking what is a perfectly civil request.[/quote]
I can exert self control. Clearly you cannot...
[quote]Posted by: Proud To Be Scottish on 10:57pm Tue 12 Feb 08
Typical venom from the gnat cnunts. Is that all you can spew, you bunch of bar-stewards[/quote]
What do you think?
PTBS said...
Andrew
As you know I never start any name calling.
I never respond in as strong a way as certain gnat bloggers.
Might one suggest that you get your own ship in order before knocking what is a perfectly civil request.
I can exert self control. Clearly you cannot...
Posted by: Proud To Be Scottish on 10:57pm Tue 12 Feb 08
Typical venom from the gnat cnunts. Is that all you can spew, you bunch of bar-stewards
What do you think?
Posted by: Huttcity, New Zealand on 12:41am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Sean Connery for President[/bold] wrote:
Huttcity/Andrew BOD
Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears.
PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view.
Just because his views are wrong, doesn't make him a bad guy :)[/quote] Being wrong is not the issue, it the Agents provocateurs are also used against political opponents. Here, it has been documented that provocateurs deliberately carry out or seek to incite counter-productive and/or ineffective acts, in order to foster public disdain for the group and provide a pretext for aggression against the group; and to worsen the punishments its members are liable for (see Red-baiting). Terrorists and fringe political groups on both the right and left sometimes act as agents provocateurs when they seek to provoke government repression that they hope will alienate their potential constituency from the government in question, and thus increase support for themselves (as the opponents of the government in question). In this sense, provocation may be combined with endorsement terrorism.
Historically, Agents provocateurs activities have been one operational tactic of labor spies who may also be hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, and/or subvert union activities. and double standards I take issue with
Sean Connery for President wrote:
Huttcity/Andrew BOD
Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears.
PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view.
Just because his views are wrong, doesn't make him a bad guy :)
Being wrong is not the issue, it the Agents provocateurs are also used against political opponents. Here, it has been documented that provocateurs deliberately carry out or seek to incite counter-productive and/or ineffective acts, in order to foster public disdain for the group and provide a pretext for aggression against the group; and to worsen the punishments its members are liable for (see Red-baiting). Terrorists and fringe political groups on both the right and left sometimes act as agents provocateurs when they seek to provoke government repression that they hope will alienate their potential constituency from the government in question, and thus increase support for themselves (as the opponents of the government in question). In this sense, provocation may be combined with endorsement terrorism.
Historically, Agents provocateurs activities have been one operational tactic of labor spies who may also be hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, and/or subvert union activities. and double standards I take issue with
Posted by: Huttcity, New Zealand on 12:41am Wed 13 Feb 08
DOH!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:41am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Andrew BOD[/bold] wrote:
PTBS said...
[quote]Andrew
As you know I never start any name calling.
I never respond in as strong a way as certain gnat bloggers.
Might one suggest that you get your own ship in order before knocking what is a perfectly civil request.[/quote]
I can exert self control. Clearly you cannot...
[quote]Posted by: Proud To Be Scottish on 10:57pm Tue 12 Feb 08
Typical venom from the gnat cnunts. Is that all you can spew, you bunch of bar-stewards[/quote]
What do you think?
[/quote] PtBS seems to fall somewhere between Peter Cook & Dudley Moore giving it 'feck'n this n feckin that" ... adash of Private Pike 'You Stupid Boy' and a large dose of Private Fraser 'DOOM DOOM...we're all Doomed' with a wee hint of 'oooo you art awful'....but I like you...... thrown in for good measure....
Comic genius in many ways, just a pity he doesn't know it....
Andrew BOD wrote:
PTBS said...
Andrew
As you know I never start any name calling.
I never respond in as strong a way as certain gnat bloggers.
Might one suggest that you get your own ship in order before knocking what is a perfectly civil request.
I can exert self control. Clearly you cannot...
Posted by: Proud To Be Scottish on 10:57pm Tue 12 Feb 08
Typical venom from the gnat cnunts. Is that all you can spew, you bunch of bar-stewards
What do you think?
PtBS seems to fall somewhere between Peter Cook & Dudley Moore giving it 'feck'n this n feckin that" ... adash of Private Pike 'You Stupid Boy' and a large dose of Private Fraser 'DOOM DOOM...we're all Doomed' with a wee hint of 'oooo you art awful'....but I like you...... thrown in for good measure....
Comic genius in many ways, just a pity he doesn't know it....
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 12:42am Wed 13 Feb 08
Sean C
I respect all views, including PTBS' views on articles, but have had enough of constant provocation and abuse.
Sean C
I respect all views, including PTBS' views on articles, but have had enough of constant provocation and abuse.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:43am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andrew BOD[/bold] wrote: PTBS said... [quote]Andrew As you know I never start any name calling. I never respond in as strong a way as certain gnat bloggers. Might one suggest that you get your own ship in order before knocking what is a perfectly civil request.[/quote] I can exert self control. Clearly you cannot... [quote]Posted by: Proud To Be Scottish on 10:57pm Tue 12 Feb 08 Typical venom from the gnat cnunts. Is that all you can spew, you bunch of bar-stewards[/quote] What do you think? [/quote] PtBS seems to fall somewhere between Peter Cook & Dudley Moore giving it 'feck'n this n feckin that" ... adash of Private Pike 'You Stupid Boy' and a large dose of Private Fraser 'DOOM DOOM...we're all Doomed' with a wee hint of 'oooo you art awful'....but I like you...... thrown in for good measure.... Comic genius in many ways, just a pity he doesn't know it.... [/quote] Wardog and Andrew you can clearly see that those comments were posted by a fakey
I do expect an apology.
If you repeat your assertion from above I will report you
Wardog wrote:
Andrew BOD wrote: PTBS said... Andrew As you know I never start any name calling. I never respond in as strong a way as certain gnat bloggers. Might one suggest that you get your own ship in order before knocking what is a perfectly civil request.
I can exert self control. Clearly you cannot... Posted by: Proud To Be Scottish on 10:57pm Tue 12 Feb 08 Typical venom from the gnat cnunts. Is that all you can spew, you bunch of bar-stewards
What do you think?
PtBS seems to fall somewhere between Peter Cook & Dudley Moore giving it 'feck'n this n feckin that" ... adash of Private Pike 'You Stupid Boy' and a large dose of Private Fraser 'DOOM DOOM...we're all Doomed' with a wee hint of 'oooo you art awful'....but I like you...... thrown in for good measure.... Comic genius in many ways, just a pity he doesn't know it....
Wardog and Andrew you can clearly see that those comments were posted by a fakey
I do expect an apology.
If you repeat your assertion from above I will report you
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 12:51am Wed 13 Feb 08
PTBS
It was posted on yesterday's thread entitled "Minister dismisses more tax power for Holyrood"
Look for yourself.
PTBS
It was posted on yesterday's thread entitled "Minister dismisses more tax power for Holyrood"
Look for yourself.
Posted by: Bungle, An ITV Storage Cupboard on 12:52am Wed 13 Feb 08
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:03am today
[quote]A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP
SHAME SHAME SHAME[/quote]
Erm, it's the Labour party who run Glasgow Mr PtbS.
So what do you have to say now?
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:03am today
A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP
SHAME SHAME SHAME
Erm, it's the Labour party who run Glasgow Mr PtbS.
So what do you have to say now?
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 12:54am Wed 13 Feb 08
Huttcity[quote]Being wrong is not the issue, it the Agents provocateurs are also used against political opponents.[/quote]On the button - a bullseye.
A few here are on the rampage in forums determined, singly or collectively, to blacken character. No point in being niave about it.
So, just as someone has the right to spout plain unadorned opinion, so have those who wish it to be known the rules of fair play are not observed by all, and indeed, are getting deliberatly warped for mischievous advantage.
Anyhow, what's you view on the impending job losses?
Do you think they are [bold][italic]all[/italic][/bold] justified? Were some already in the pipeline [italic]before[/italic] the financial restrictions? Could a few be manufactured to use as a club to beat the SNP? If thatturned out to be the case, what would you feel if the government called in a massive element of redundances in one area if it suspected "foul play," shall we say?
The questions are for Seanorry as well as others interested in answering.
.
Huttcity
Being wrong is not the issue, it the Agents provocateurs are also used against political opponents.
On the button - a bullseye.
A few here are on the rampage in forums determined, singly or collectively, to blacken character. No point in being niave about it.
So, just as someone has the right to spout plain unadorned opinion, so have those who wish it to be known the rules of fair play are not observed by all, and indeed, are getting deliberatly warped for mischievous advantage.
Anyhow, what's you view on the impending job losses?
Do you think they are
all justified? Were some already in the pipeline
before the financial restrictions? Could a few be manufactured to use as a club to beat the SNP? If thatturned out to be the case, what would you feel if the government called in a massive element of redundances in one area if it suspected "foul play," shall we say?
The questions are for Seanorry as well as others interested in answering.
.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:55am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Andrew BOD[/bold] wrote:
PTBS It was posted on yesterday's thread entitled "Minister dismisses more tax power for Holyrood" Look for yourself.[/quote] Yes Andrew I know, I reported it at the time.
Look at my posting name, look at fakeys (different)
Was that your apology?
Andrew BOD wrote:
PTBS It was posted on yesterday's thread entitled "Minister dismisses more tax power for Holyrood" Look for yourself.
Yes Andrew I know, I reported it at the time.
Look at my posting name, look at fakeys (different)
Was that your apology?
Posted by: doonhamer on 12:56am Wed 13 Feb 08
Where's Wendy? After her tirade against Edinburgh Council yesterday, you would expect her to be apoplectic about the decision of Glasgow Council to cut the jobs of the most vulnerable people in Scotland... the Labour supporting union numpties?
Oh the horror... Oh the humanity....
Where's Wendy? After her tirade against Edinburgh Council yesterday, you would expect her to be apoplectic about the decision of Glasgow Council to cut the jobs of the most vulnerable people in Scotland... the Labour supporting union numpties?
Oh the horror... Oh the humanity....
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:00am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Bungle[/bold] wrote:
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:03am today [quote]A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP SHAME SHAME SHAME[/quote] Erm, it's the Labour party who run Glasgow Mr PtbS. So what do you have to say now?[/quote] The city council is being strangled by a strange SNP policy.
The SNP have erected a populistpolicy of freezing council tax.
This really shows where the SNP are at with regards to economics.
Inflation is not a bad thing per se. Freezing council tax makes as much economic sense as freezing the price of baked beans. It is an unnatural retardation of the market.
These jobs are going because of SNP spending cuts and 1950s soviet style economics
Bungle wrote:
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:03am today A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP SHAME SHAME SHAME
Erm, it's the Labour party who run Glasgow Mr PtbS. So what do you have to say now?
The city council is being strangled by a strange SNP policy.
The SNP have erected a populistpolicy of freezing council tax.
This really shows where the SNP are at with regards to economics.
Inflation is not a bad thing per se. Freezing council tax makes as much economic sense as freezing the price of baked beans. It is an unnatural retardation of the market.
These jobs are going because of SNP spending cuts and 1950s soviet style economics
Posted by: Cynicus, Scotland on 1:03am Wed 13 Feb 08
How long has Glasgow City Council been over-manned in the departments mentioned for cut-backs?
How long has Glasgow City Council been over-manned in the departments mentioned for cut-backs?
Posted by: Bungle, An ITV Storage Cupboard on 1:04am Wed 13 Feb 08
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:28am today
[quote]Well goodnight all. It will be interesting to see what the gnat nightshift do to try and sping 425 job losses into a great victory.
Tell that to those losing their jobs.[/quote]
Such as who?
[quote]Glasgow has claimed there will not be compulsory redundancies and that most of the posts will go through natural wastage, early retirements and potentially voluntary redundancies.[/quote]
[quote]A spokesman for the council said: "There will be no compulsory redundancies as a result of this budget.
"It is through efficiency savings and service reforms that we can freeze council tax levels and the reduction in staff will be achieved largely through natural wastage."[/quote]
Contrasting your remarks with the Councils only points to the conclusion that you would force people to keep jobs they would rather move on from.
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:28am today
Well goodnight all. It will be interesting to see what the gnat nightshift do to try and sping 425 job losses into a great victory.
Tell that to those losing their jobs.
Such as who?
Glasgow has claimed there will not be compulsory redundancies and that most of the posts will go through natural wastage, early retirements and potentially voluntary redundancies.
A spokesman for the council said: "There will be no compulsory redundancies as a result of this budget.
"It is through efficiency savings and service reforms that we can freeze council tax levels and the reduction in staff will be achieved largely through natural wastage."
Contrasting your remarks with the Councils only points to the conclusion that you would force people to keep jobs they would rather move on from.
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 1:05am Wed 13 Feb 08
Glasgow Labour Council to Axe 425 jobs!
Na, that headline would never happen in Young's watch.
How are you today Alf?
Glasgow Labour Council to Axe 425 jobs!
Na, that headline would never happen in Young's watch.
How are you today Alf?
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 1:05am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote]Do you think they are all justified? Were some already in the pipeline before the financial restrictions? Could a few be manufactured to use as a club to beat the SNP? If that turned out to be the case, what would you feel if the government called in a massive element of redundances in one area if it suspected "foul play," shall we say?[/quote]This was always a risk. If you give others responsibility, it is always possible they will use that freedom to do stuff to make you look bad, then blame you for it.
If indeed it is Labour councils who do this, and there are fewer of them than there were, even the Labour-supporting journalists might notice in the end.
Nobody ever said this minority government stuff was easy. We just have to hope the SNP will keep the heid and do what's best for Scotland.
And talking of minority government, how grateful are we all to the LibDems for refusing to go into coalition, just by the way?
Do you think they are all justified? Were some already in the pipeline before the financial restrictions? Could a few be manufactured to use as a club to beat the SNP? If that turned out to be the case, what would you feel if the government called in a massive element of redundances in one area if it suspected "foul play," shall we say?
This was always a risk. If you give others responsibility, it is always possible they will use that freedom to do stuff to make you look bad, then blame you for it.
If indeed it is Labour councils who do this, and there are fewer of them than there were, even the Labour-supporting journalists might notice in the end.
Nobody ever said this minority government stuff was easy. We just have to hope the SNP will keep the heid and do what's best for Scotland.
And talking of minority government, how grateful are we all to the LibDems for refusing to go into coalition, just by the way?
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 1:08am Wed 13 Feb 08
PTBS
OK, I can see that there are obviously mischief makers about who have sought to tar you as an abuser. (That was an apology)
However, it doesn't excuse provocation by mis-representing all of the facts, and in your opening post, you completely ignore the fact that Glasgow City Council have frozen Tax for the previous two years. Was it not their intention to do so this year also, with or without the intervention of the SNP Government. In fact you could argue that this time round, they've got extra money to deal with the Tax Freeze.
Tell me what you think.
PTBS
OK, I can see that there are obviously mischief makers about who have sought to tar you as an abuser. (That was an apology)
However, it doesn't excuse provocation by mis-representing all of the facts, and in your opening post, you completely ignore the fact that Glasgow City Council have frozen Tax for the previous two years. Was it not their intention to do so this year also, with or without the intervention of the SNP Government. In fact you could argue that this time round, they've got extra money to deal with the Tax Freeze.
Tell me what you think.
Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Perth on 1:11am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote]Historically, Agents provocateurs activities have been one operational tactic of labor spies who may also be hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, and/or subvert union activities. and double standards I take issue with[/quote]
And there was me thinking that Agent Provocateur was a leading range of rather fetching undergarments :-)
If you starve the offenders of the oxygen of 'publicity' (by not pouncing at the bait) they will quickly get bored and go away - thereby allowing us who wish to read constructive comment on the forum the chance, rather than the boards being shut down.
ON TOPIC
Do you think the Glasgow Council SLAB will blame the SNP for the cuts? if so, how will this be countered by the SNP?
Historically, Agents provocateurs activities have been one operational tactic of labor spies who may also be hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, and/or subvert union activities. and double standards I take issue with
And there was me thinking that Agent Provocateur was a leading range of rather fetching undergarments :-)
If you starve the offenders of the oxygen of 'publicity' (by not pouncing at the bait) they will quickly get bored and go away - thereby allowing us who wish to read constructive comment on the forum the chance, rather than the boards being shut down.
ON TOPIC
Do you think the Glasgow Council SLAB will blame the SNP for the cuts? if so, how will this be countered by the SNP?
Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Perth on 1:11am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote]Historically, Agents provocateurs activities have been one operational tactic of labor spies who may also be hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, and/or subvert union activities. and double standards I take issue with[/quote]
And there was me thinking that Agent Provocateur was a leading range of rather fetching undergarments :-)
If you starve the offenders of the oxygen of 'publicity' (by not pouncing at the bait) they will quickly get bored and go away - thereby allowing us who wish to read constructive comment on the forum the chance, rather than the boards being shut down.
ON TOPIC
Do you think the Glasgow Council SLAB will blame the SNP for the cuts? if so, how will this be countered by the SNP?
Historically, Agents provocateurs activities have been one operational tactic of labor spies who may also be hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, and/or subvert union activities. and double standards I take issue with
And there was me thinking that Agent Provocateur was a leading range of rather fetching undergarments :-)
If you starve the offenders of the oxygen of 'publicity' (by not pouncing at the bait) they will quickly get bored and go away - thereby allowing us who wish to read constructive comment on the forum the chance, rather than the boards being shut down.
ON TOPIC
Do you think the Glasgow Council SLAB will blame the SNP for the cuts? if so, how will this be countered by the SNP?
Posted by: Bungle, An ITV Storage Cupboard on 1:15am Wed 13 Feb 08
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:00am today
[quote][quote][bold]Bungle[/bold] wrote: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:03am today [quote]A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP SHAME SHAME SHAME[/quote] Erm, it's the Labour party who run Glasgow Mr PtbS. So what do you have to say now?[/quote]
The city council is being strangled by a strange SNP policy.[/quote]
Did you miss this bit?
[quote]Glasgow has kept its council tax levels the same for the previous two years.[/quote]
So they must be strangling themselves.
[quote]The SNP have erected a populist policy of freezing council tax.[/quote]
You've missed out "been" and mispelled "elected" and "popular".
[quote]This really shows where the SNP are at with regards to economics.
Inflation is not a bad thing per se.[/quote]
"Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he had to ignore his own wish to give police officers a bigger pay increase to keep inflation in check."
[quote]Freezing council tax makes as much economic sense as freezing the price of baked beans..[/quote]
It is an unnatural retardation of the market.[/quote]
Since Council Tax has increased ahead of inflation by 60% then it already has been retarded.
Besides your support of markets is now a rather odd element to take into the debate.
Since the Council has identified no markets for these posts to serve why are you so critical of their loss - particularly when no one is being forced to lose their job?
[quote]These jobs are going because of SNP spending cuts and 1950s soviet style economics[/quote]
Forcing people to do jobs they don't want and keeping posts that are unneeded, as you argue, would actually be a Soviet style commend economy.
Your arguments are rather contradictory.
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:00am today
Bungle wrote: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:03am today A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP SHAME SHAME SHAME Erm, it's the Labour party who run Glasgow Mr PtbS. So what do you have to say now?
The city council is being strangled by a strange SNP policy.
Did you miss this bit?
Glasgow has kept its council tax levels the same for the previous two years.
So they must be strangling themselves.
The SNP have erected a populist policy of freezing council tax.
You've missed out "been" and mispelled "elected" and "popular".
This really shows where the SNP are at with regards to economics.
Inflation is not a bad thing per se.
"Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he had to ignore his own wish to give police officers a bigger pay increase to keep inflation in check."
Freezing council tax makes as much economic sense as freezing the price of baked beans..
It is an unnatural retardation of the market.
Since Council Tax has increased ahead of inflation by 60% then it already has been retarded.
Besides your support of markets is now a rather odd element to take into the debate.
Since the Council has identified no markets for these posts to serve why are you so critical of their loss - particularly when no one is being forced to lose their job?
These jobs are going because of SNP spending cuts and 1950s soviet style economics
Forcing people to do jobs they don't want and keeping posts that are unneeded, as you argue, would actually be a Soviet style commend economy.
Your arguments are rather contradictory.
Posted by: Huttcity, New Zealand on 1:15am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Sean Connery for President[/bold] wrote:
Huttcity/Andrew BOD
Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears.
PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view.
Just because his views are wrong, doesn't make him a bad guy :)[/quote] I'll try one more time :).
It's not a question of right or wrong, I take issue with his hypocrisy and double standards, his cheap debating society tactics and his swift retreat from these forums when challenged - much like AM2.
I strongly suspect he is a labour party hack (as I do AM2), as they always seem to post the intended "meaning" aka spin, of the article. E.g. council job cuts = SHAME SHAME SHAME on the SNP. If you read ptbs and AM2's posts, they always seem to follow this formula.
That makes him a "bad guy" imo.
BTW I'm a card carrying member of the SNP and a former activist - and I can't wait for the next election.
PS the agent provocateur stuff was for wullie who seems to make sure every post he makes is deeply offensive to someone.
Sean Connery for President wrote:
Huttcity/Andrew BOD
Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears.
PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view.
Just because his views are wrong, doesn't make him a bad guy :)
I'll try one more time :).
It's not a question of right or wrong, I take issue with his hypocrisy and double standards, his cheap debating society tactics and his swift retreat from these forums when challenged - much like AM2.
I strongly suspect he is a labour party hack (as I do AM2), as they always seem to post the intended "meaning" aka spin, of the article. E.g. council job cuts = SHAME SHAME SHAME on the SNP. If you read ptbs and AM2's posts, they always seem to follow this formula.
That makes him a "bad guy" imo.
BTW I'm a card carrying member of the SNP and a former activist - and I can't wait for the next election.
PS the agent provocateur stuff was for wullie who seems to make sure every post he makes is deeply offensive to someone.
Posted by: Bungle, An ITV Storage Cupboard on 1:20am Wed 13 Feb 08
(Bloddy lack of previewing to see formatting works.)
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:00am today
[quote]Bungle wrote: [quote]Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:03am today [quote]A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP SHAME SHAME SHAME[/quote] Erm, it's the Labour party who run Glasgow Mr PtbS. So what do you have to say now?[/quote]
The city council is being strangled by a strange SNP policy.[/quote]
Did you miss this bit?
[quote]Glasgow has kept its council tax levels the same for the previous two years.[/quote]
So they must be strangling themselves.
[quote]The SNP have erected a populist policy of freezing council tax.[/quote]
You've missed out "been" and mispelled "elected" and "popular".
[quote]This really shows where the SNP are at with regards to economics.
Inflation is not a bad thing per se.[/quote]
"Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he had to ignore his own wish to give police officers a bigger pay increase to keep inflation in check."
[quote]Freezing council tax makes as much economic sense as freezing the price of baked beans..
It is an unnatural retardation of the market.[/quote]
Since Council Tax has increased ahead of inflation by 60% then it already has been retarded.
Besides your support of markets is now a rather odd element to take into the debate.
Since the Council has identified no markets for these posts to serve why are you so critical of their loss - particularly when no one is being forced to lose their job?
[quote]These jobs are going because of SNP spending cuts and 1950s soviet style economics[/quote]
Forcing people to do jobs they don't want and keeping posts that are unneeded, as you argue, would actually be a Soviet style commend economy.
Your arguments are rather contradictory.
(Bloddy lack of previewing to see formatting works.)
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:00am today
Bungle wrote: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:03am today A dark ,dark day for the working people of Scotland - delivered by the SNP SHAME SHAME SHAME
Erm, it's the Labour party who run Glasgow Mr PtbS. So what do you have to say now?
The city council is being strangled by a strange SNP policy.
Did you miss this bit?
Glasgow has kept its council tax levels the same for the previous two years.
So they must be strangling themselves.
The SNP have erected a populist policy of freezing council tax.
You've missed out "been" and mispelled "elected" and "popular".
This really shows where the SNP are at with regards to economics.
Inflation is not a bad thing per se.
"Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he had to ignore his own wish to give police officers a bigger pay increase to keep inflation in check."
Freezing council tax makes as much economic sense as freezing the price of baked beans..
It is an unnatural retardation of the market.
Since Council Tax has increased ahead of inflation by 60% then it already has been retarded.
Besides your support of markets is now a rather odd element to take into the debate.
Since the Council has identified no markets for these posts to serve why are you so critical of their loss - particularly when no one is being forced to lose their job?
These jobs are going because of SNP spending cuts and 1950s soviet style economics
Forcing people to do jobs they don't want and keeping posts that are unneeded, as you argue, would actually be a Soviet style commend economy.
Your arguments are rather contradictory.
Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Perth on 1:28am Wed 13 Feb 08
Huttcity
I take your point, but reacting to 'bully boy' tactics only excarerbates (spelling!) the situation. The object of the excercise is to discuss the thread as adults. Lowering yourself to the PTbS level of exchanging personal abuse does no-one any good - although reading back I see you only thought it.
Please don't think I am having a go at you. I'm merely trying to make sure the forum is kept open as it can quickly evolve into a shutdown.
p.s - is Wullie wearing womens knickers now - sorry Wullie, only joking :) [quote]the agent provocateur stuff was for wullie[/quote]
Huttcity
I take your point, but reacting to 'bully boy' tactics only excarerbates (spelling!) the situation. The object of the excercise is to discuss the thread as adults. Lowering yourself to the PTbS level of exchanging personal abuse does no-one any good - although reading back I see you only thought it.
Please don't think I am having a go at you. I'm merely trying to make sure the forum is kept open as it can quickly evolve into a shutdown.
p.s - is Wullie wearing womens knickers now - sorry Wullie, only joking :)
the agent provocateur stuff was for wullie
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:28am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Huttcity[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sean Connery for President[/bold] wrote: Huttcity/Andrew BOD Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears. PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view. Just because his views are wrong, doesn't make him a bad guy :)[/quote] I'll try one more time :). It's not a question of right or wrong, I take issue with his hypocrisy and double standards, his cheap debating society tactics and his swift retreat from these forums when challenged - much like AM2. I strongly suspect he is a labour party hack (as I do AM2), as they always seem to post the intended "meaning" aka spin, of the article. E.g. council job cuts = SHAME SHAME SHAME on the SNP. If you read ptbs and AM2's posts, they always seem to follow this formula. That makes him a "bad guy" imo. BTW I'm a card carrying member of the SNP and a former activist - and I can't wait for the next election. PS the agent provocateur stuff was for wullie who seems to make sure every post he makes is deeply offensive to someone. [/quote] Thanks Hutt
The people of Scotland are hugely apprecaitive of you defending them against the nasty labour party - from the safety of the other side of the world
Thanks Hutt, your a 'legend heh bro'
Huttcity wrote:
Sean Connery for President wrote: Huttcity/Andrew BOD Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears. PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view. Just because his views are wrong, doesn't make him a bad guy :)
I'll try one more time :). It's not a question of right or wrong, I take issue with his hypocrisy and double standards, his cheap debating society tactics and his swift retreat from these forums when challenged - much like AM2. I strongly suspect he is a labour party hack (as I do AM2), as they always seem to post the intended "meaning" aka spin, of the article. E.g. council job cuts = SHAME SHAME SHAME on the SNP. If you read ptbs and AM2's posts, they always seem to follow this formula. That makes him a "bad guy" imo. BTW I'm a card carrying member of the SNP and a former activist - and I can't wait for the next election. PS the agent provocateur stuff was for wullie who seems to make sure every post he makes is deeply offensive to someone.
Thanks Hutt
The people of Scotland are hugely apprecaitive of you defending them against the nasty labour party - from the safety of the other side of the world
Thanks Hutt, your a 'legend heh bro'
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:31am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Sean Connery for President[/bold] wrote:
Huttcity I take your point, but reacting to 'bully boy' tactics only excarerbates (spelling!) the situation. The object of the excercise is to discuss the thread as adults. Lowering yourself to the PTbS level of exchanging personal abuse does no-one any good - although reading back I see you only thought it. Please don't think I am having a go at you. I'm merely trying to make sure the forum is kept open as it can quickly evolve into a shutdown. p.s - is Wullie wearing womens knickers now - sorry Wullie, only joking :) [quote]the agent provocateur stuff was for wullie[/quote] [/quote] Dear Sean (in the comfort of your Bahamas villa -hmm seems to be a theme runiing tjhrough all these gnat locations, - they are not in Scotland!)
How dare you say that I have brought down the standards in this thread.
Please give me one instance of this or apologise.
Can we please have some standards here
Sean Connery for President wrote:
Huttcity I take your point, but reacting to 'bully boy' tactics only excarerbates (spelling!) the situation. The object of the excercise is to discuss the thread as adults. Lowering yourself to the PTbS level of exchanging personal abuse does no-one any good - although reading back I see you only thought it. Please don't think I am having a go at you. I'm merely trying to make sure the forum is kept open as it can quickly evolve into a shutdown. p.s - is Wullie wearing womens knickers now - sorry Wullie, only joking :) the agent provocateur stuff was for wullie
Dear Sean (in the comfort of your Bahamas villa -hmm seems to be a theme runiing tjhrough all these gnat locations, - they are not in Scotland!)
How dare you say that I have brought down the standards in this thread.
Please give me one instance of this or apologise.
Can we please have some standards here
Posted by: Huttcity, New Zealand on 1:36am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Huttcity[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sean Connery for President[/bold] wrote: Huttcity/Andrew BOD Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears. PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view. Just because his views are wrong, doesn't make him a bad guy :)[/quote] I'll try one more time :). It's not a question of right or wrong, I take issue with his hypocrisy and double standards, his cheap debating society tactics and his swift retreat from these forums when challenged - much like AM2. I strongly suspect he is a labour party hack (as I do AM2), as they always seem to post the intended "meaning" aka spin, of the article. E.g. council job cuts = SHAME SHAME SHAME on the SNP. If you read ptbs and AM2's posts, they always seem to follow this formula. That makes him a "bad guy" imo. BTW I'm a card carrying member of the SNP and a former activist - and I can't wait for the next election. PS the agent provocateur stuff was for wullie who seems to make sure every post he makes is deeply offensive to someone. [/quote] Thanks Hutt
The people of Scotland are hugely apprecaitive of you defending them against the nasty labour party - from the safety of the other side of the world
Thanks Hutt, your a 'legend heh bro'[/quote] Heh I gave up life in New Zealand to come back and fight for Independence, I kid you not.
The location bit is filled in automatically - I suppose I should change now...
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
Huttcity wrote:
Sean Connery for President wrote: Huttcity/Andrew BOD Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears. PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view. Just because his views are wrong, doesn't make him a bad guy :)
I'll try one more time :). It's not a question of right or wrong, I take issue with his hypocrisy and double standards, his cheap debating society tactics and his swift retreat from these forums when challenged - much like AM2. I strongly suspect he is a labour party hack (as I do AM2), as they always seem to post the intended "meaning" aka spin, of the article. E.g. council job cuts = SHAME SHAME SHAME on the SNP. If you read ptbs and AM2's posts, they always seem to follow this formula. That makes him a "bad guy" imo. BTW I'm a card carrying member of the SNP and a former activist - and I can't wait for the next election. PS the agent provocateur stuff was for wullie who seems to make sure every post he makes is deeply offensive to someone.
Thanks Hutt
The people of Scotland are hugely apprecaitive of you defending them against the nasty labour party - from the safety of the other side of the world
Thanks Hutt, your a 'legend heh bro'
Heh I gave up life in New Zealand to come back and fight for Independence, I kid you not.
The location bit is filled in automatically - I suppose I should change now...
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 1:37am Wed 13 Feb 08
Proud To Be A Patsy[quote]Connery: How dare you say that I have brought down the standards in this thread.[/quote] can we avoid the politics of personalities on [italic][bold]THIS[/bold][/italic] forum and stick to the topic - please?
Proud To Be A Patsy
Connery: How dare you say that I have brought down the standards in this thread.
can we avoid the politics of personalities on
THIS forum and stick to the topic - please?
Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Bahamas on 1:38am Wed 13 Feb 08
PTbS
Do you think Wendy will brave a mention of this at FMQ's?
PTbS
Do you think Wendy will brave a mention of this at FMQ's?
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:39am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Huttcity[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Huttcity[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sean Connery for President[/bold] wrote: Huttcity/Andrew BOD Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears. PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view. Just because his views are wrong, doesn't make him a bad guy :)[/quote] I'll try one more time :). It's not a question of right or wrong, I take issue with his hypocrisy and double standards, his cheap debating society tactics and his swift retreat from these forums when challenged - much like AM2. I strongly suspect he is a labour party hack (as I do AM2), as they always seem to post the intended "meaning" aka spin, of the article. E.g. council job cuts = SHAME SHAME SHAME on the SNP. If you read ptbs and AM2's posts, they always seem to follow this formula. That makes him a "bad guy" imo. BTW I'm a card carrying member of the SNP and a former activist - and I can't wait for the next election. PS the agent provocateur stuff was for wullie who seems to make sure every post he makes is deeply offensive to someone. [/quote] Thanks Hutt The people of Scotland are hugely apprecaitive of you defending them against the nasty labour party - from the safety of the other side of the world Thanks Hutt, your a 'legend heh bro'[/quote] Heh I gave up life in New Zealand to come back and fight for Independence, I kid you not. The location bit is filled in automatically - I suppose I should change now... [/quote] err... whatever Hutt
Huttcity wrote:
Proud to be Scottish wrote: Huttcity wrote: Sean Connery for President wrote: Huttcity/Andrew BOD Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears. PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view. Just because his views are wrong, doesn't make him a bad guy :)
I'll try one more time :). It's not a question of right or wrong, I take issue with his hypocrisy and double standards, his cheap debating society tactics and his swift retreat from these forums when challenged - much like AM2. I strongly suspect he is a labour party hack (as I do AM2), as they always seem to post the intended "meaning" aka spin, of the article. E.g. council job cuts = SHAME SHAME SHAME on the SNP. If you read ptbs and AM2's posts, they always seem to follow this formula. That makes him a "bad guy" imo. BTW I'm a card carrying member of the SNP and a former activist - and I can't wait for the next election. PS the agent provocateur stuff was for wullie who seems to make sure every post he makes is deeply offensive to someone.
Thanks Hutt The people of Scotland are hugely apprecaitive of you defending them against the nasty labour party - from the safety of the other side of the world Thanks Hutt, your a 'legend heh bro'
Heh I gave up life in New Zealand to come back and fight for Independence, I kid you not. The location bit is filled in automatically - I suppose I should change now...
err... whatever Hutt
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:41am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Los Angeles[/bold] wrote:
Proud To Be A Patsy[quote]Connery: How dare you say that I have brought down the standards in this thread.[/quote] can we avoid the politics of personalities on [italic][bold]THIS[/bold][/italic] forum and stick to the topic - please?[/quote] LA , this is the last time I will ever respond to one of your provactive postings.
You should be critisising your fellow gnats like Connery for starting, as usual, the mud slinging
Los Angeles wrote:
Proud To Be A PatsyConnery: How dare you say that I have brought down the standards in this thread.
can we avoid the politics of personalities on THIS forum and stick to the topic - please?
LA , this is the last time I will ever respond to one of your provactive postings.
You should be critisising your fellow gnats like Connery for starting, as usual, the mud slinging
Posted by: Bungle, An ITV Storage Cupboard on 1:47am Wed 13 Feb 08
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:28am today
[quote]Well goodnight all.[/quote]
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:41am today
[quote]Los Angeles wrote: etc etc
[/quote]
That was a short sleep.
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:28am today
Well goodnight all.
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:41am today
Los Angeles wrote: etc etc
That was a short sleep.
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 1:48am Wed 13 Feb 08
PTBS
Are we talking about the issue here or not?
Did you know that this was the third year in a row for a Council tax freeze? (I guess you must know, you live there)
Can you acknowledge that there will only be voluntary redundancies.
Can we discuss this now?
PTBS
Are we talking about the issue here or not?
Did you know that this was the third year in a row for a Council tax freeze? (I guess you must know, you live there)
Can you acknowledge that there will only be voluntary redundancies.
Can we discuss this now?
Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Perth on 1:48am Wed 13 Feb 08
Hmmm, and there was me thinking I was sticking up for open debate.
[quote]Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears.
PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view.[/quote]
Yer a funny man PTbS, but probably not in the comedy sense of the word.
Hmmm, and there was me thinking I was sticking up for open debate.
Can you cut the PTbS baiting/ripostes please, you know it'll end in tears.
PTbS is entitled to his views, just as you and I are. You don't have to agree with them but accept them as a different point of view.
Yer a funny man PTbS, but probably not in the comedy sense of the word.
Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Perth on 1:52am Wed 13 Feb 08
Andrew BOD,
surely the issue is that there [bold]will[/bold] be redundancies - even though they are voluntary/natural wasteage.
Scotland is a naturally Socialist country and the word 'redundancy' does not sit well. The perception from the electorate may be SNP=Cuts in local services
Andrew BOD,
surely the issue is that there
will be redundancies - even though they are voluntary/natural wasteage.
Scotland is a naturally Socialist country and the word 'redundancy' does not sit well. The perception from the electorate may be SNP=Cuts in local services
Posted by: Huttcity, New Zealand on 1:55am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Sean Connery for President[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Historically, Agents provocateurs activities have been one operational tactic of labor spies who may also be hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, and/or subvert union activities. and double standards I take issue with[/quote]
And there was me thinking that Agent Provocateur was a leading range of rather fetching undergarments :-)
If you starve the offenders of the oxygen of 'publicity' (by not pouncing at the bait) they will quickly get bored and go away - thereby allowing us who wish to read constructive comment on the forum the chance, rather than the boards being shut down.
ON TOPIC
Do you think the Glasgow Council SLAB will blame the SNP for the cuts? if so, how will this be countered by the SNP?[/quote] Not if it it's their job -They don't care what we (the posters) think. They will never change our minds they want to put new people off posting/ getting involved.
ON TOPIC
Who cares. :-) The SNP have successfully destroyed Labour party's political credibility. When this is raised at FMQ Alex will simply say "don't be silly" and point out what an absolute shambles the Labour party has become (as they proved at the budget). How can anyone take anything seriously said by WA or NS. No-one likes the Tories either and I'm sure they will think (secretly) this is a good thing.
Sean Connery for President wrote:
Historically, Agents provocateurs activities have been one operational tactic of labor spies who may also be hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, and/or subvert union activities. and double standards I take issue with
And there was me thinking that Agent Provocateur was a leading range of rather fetching undergarments :-)
If you starve the offenders of the oxygen of 'publicity' (by not pouncing at the bait) they will quickly get bored and go away - thereby allowing us who wish to read constructive comment on the forum the chance, rather than the boards being shut down.
ON TOPIC
Do you think the Glasgow Council SLAB will blame the SNP for the cuts? if so, how will this be countered by the SNP?
Not if it it's their job -They don't care what we (the posters) think. They will never change our minds they want to put new people off posting/ getting involved.
ON TOPIC
Who cares. :-) The SNP have successfully destroyed Labour party's political credibility. When this is raised at FMQ Alex will simply say "don't be silly" and point out what an absolute shambles the Labour party has become (as they proved at the budget). How can anyone take anything seriously said by WA or NS. No-one likes the Tories either and I'm sure they will think (secretly) this is a good thing.
Posted by: Huttcity, New Zealand on 2:01am Wed 13 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Los Angeles[/bold] wrote:
Proud To Be A Patsy[quote]Connery: How dare you say that I have brought down the standards in this thread.[/quote] can we avoid the politics of personalities on [italic][bold]THIS[/bold][/italic] forum and stick to the topic - please?[/quote] LA , this is the last time I will ever respond to one of your provactive postings.
You should be critisising your fellow gnats like Connery for starting, as usual, the mud slinging[/quote] ptbs: I find the term "gnats" quite offensive. Do think my political views make me somehow less than human?
I would appreciate it if you would refrain from using it, provided of course that you are able to.
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
Los Angeles wrote:
Proud To Be A PatsyConnery: How dare you say that I have brought down the standards in this thread.
can we avoid the politics of personalities on THIS forum and stick to the topic - please?
LA , this is the last time I will ever respond to one of your provactive postings.
You should be critisising your fellow gnats like Connery for starting, as usual, the mud slinging
ptbs: I find the term "gnats" quite offensive. Do think my political views make me somehow less than human?
I would appreciate it if you would refrain from using it, provided of course that you are able to.
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 2:01am Wed 13 Feb 08
Sean Connery
I think it's actually a good story in that it will not adversely affect livelyhood's but will reduce Public Sector jobs in Scotland. This has always been a disadvantage for Scotland in comparison to England, as too much reliance on those type of jobs means too much reliance on central government funding.
Sean Connery
I think it's actually a good story in that it will not adversely affect livelyhood's but will reduce Public Sector jobs in Scotland. This has always been a disadvantage for Scotland in comparison to England, as too much reliance on those type of jobs means too much reliance on central government funding.
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