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Gordon Brown yesterday conspicuously failed to back the call by Wendy Alexander and other political leaders in Scotland for Holyrood to be given more powers, particularly over tax.
However, a source close to First Minister Alex Salmond told The Herald last night that it was now clear the Prime Minister had conceded that the debate on the future
powers of the Scottish Parliament had begun in earnest.
"He was forced into a significant concession in accepting that the debate on more powers for Holyrood is under way. This will stick in the throat of most Scottish Labour MPs," insisted the source.
At his monthly Downing St press conference, Mr Brown was asked directly if he was for or against what has become the cross-party consensus in Edinburgh for an extension to home rule.
He replied: "This is a debate about the responsibility and accountability of the Scottish Parliament for the use of resources it spends. This is a debate that has to be held at some point over the next few years about accountability for money spent. That's why we're looking at different ways in which that debate can happen but I'm not going to conclude the debate. It's a debate that should happen."
Mr Brown declared 2008 would be an "important year for the Union" but did not elaborate. He stressed: "It's important to remember that two-thirds of the people of Scotland voted in the last elections for the Scottish Parliament for parties that oppose separation; for parties that support the maintenance of the Union."
Ms Alexander, Labour's leader at Holyrood, marked a political watershed in her party's thinking on extending home rule when in November she said: "There is a desire in Scotland to walk taller rather than to walk out. Part of walking taller is that we should take more financial responsibility for our own affairs in Scotland. We should not let housekeeping bills get in the way of breaking the marriage but the housekeeping bills deserve to be looked at again."
She has set a cross-party commission involving the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats at Holyrood and Westminster on the future of devolution but it is known that some Scottish Labour MPs are deeply unhappy about it and believe Ms Alexander is "dancing to the Nationalist tune".
Last night, Angus Robertson, the SNP's leader at Westminster, claimed that the Prime Minister had made a gaffe at his monthly press
conference, arguing that Mr Brown had "asserted that London rule was the preference in Scotland".
"Having lost the Scottish Parliament elections, Gordon Brown still doesn't seem to realise that people in Scotland want more decisions taken closer to home," declared the Moray MP.
"The majority of Scots voted in 2007 for parties committed to increasing the powers of the Scottish Parliament. Labour has been the last party to formally recognise the demand for further powers but they still don't trust the people to decide."
Mr Robertson added: "The SNP believes the people should have the choice and
we are confident, with the
rising support for independence, that Scotland will choose independence."
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Posted by: LEGION, ALBA on 12:18am Wed 9 Jan 08
When are Wendy Alexander and her London Labour cronies going to be held to account for the criminal offence of receiving illegal donations?
When are Wendy Alexander and her London Labour cronies going to be held to account for the criminal offence of receiving illegal donations?
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:23am Wed 9 Jan 08
The majority of Scots voted in 2007 for parties committed to increasing the powers of the Scottish Parliament. Those increased powers ranged from full independence, fiscal autonomy and federalism with full tax raising and spending powers..... [bold]Labour have nowhere to go[/bold]
The majority of Scots voted in 2007 for parties committed to increasing the powers of the Scottish Parliament. Those increased powers ranged from full independence, fiscal autonomy and federalism with full tax raising and spending powers.....
Labour have nowhere to go Posted by: i'm no really here on 12:25am Wed 9 Jan 08
Same old tripe. There would be very few Governments elected if they relied upon the support of the majority of the people voting. That's what happens in a multi-party system. He also ignores that fact that 70-80% of the people want either more powers devolved or full independence. Only 12-15% want the status quo, but HP Sauce uses the Unionist card to claim that voters voted for the status quo.
It is clear that Westminster will not devolve any more power unless there is a strong SNP, perhaps even holding a balance of power in Westminster.
Labour try and catch up with the mood of Scotland only to have their legs chopped from under them by their London Masters. What does it feel like to be LibDem or Tory in Scotland when you get told by Labour that you Constitutional Commission is a non-starter. I wonder if there will be many more meetings of the tripartite alliance.
Same old tripe. There would be very few Governments elected if they relied upon the support of the majority of the people voting. That's what happens in a multi-party system. He also ignores that fact that 70-80% of the people want either more powers devolved or full independence. Only 12-15% want the status quo, but HP Sauce uses the Unionist card to claim that voters voted for the status quo.
It is clear that Westminster will not devolve any more power unless there is a strong SNP, perhaps even holding a balance of power in Westminster.
Labour try and catch up with the mood of Scotland only to have their legs chopped from under them by their London Masters. What does it feel like to be LibDem or Tory in Scotland when you get told by Labour that you Constitutional Commission is a non-starter. I wonder if there will be many more meetings of the tripartite alliance.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:28am Wed 9 Jan 08
Between a rock and a hard place Gordy and we all know you'll choose the......er.....hidi
ng behind the couch approach.
Puts the Unionist alliance at Holyrood in a precarious position.
Hand out the shoogly hooks.
Between a rock and a hard place Gordy and we all know you'll choose the......er.....hidi
ng behind the couch approach.
Puts the Unionist alliance at Holyrood in a precarious position.
Hand out the shoogly hooks.
Posted by: Jimbo on 1:17am Wed 9 Jan 08
I'm pretty sure Wendy Alexander would have been appraised of this well before she started to make noises about more powers for Holyrood and became involved in her so called unionist alliance convention. She's no doubt been leading the Liberals and Tories on, pretending to be on message/on side when all along she would know that her mentor Broon, would not allow it.
Sadly Annabelle Goldie and that eejit Nicol Stephen fell for her con.
Just for your information on elections Broon..........
[quote]He stressed: "It's important to remember that two-thirds of the people of Scotland voted in the last elections for the Scottish Parliament for parties that oppose separation; for parties that support the maintenance of the Union."[/quote]
It's important to remember that two-thirds of the people of Britain voted in the last elections for the Westminster Parliament for parties that oppose the Labour Party.
Labour received 35.3% of the popular vote, equating to approximately 22% of the electorate on a 61.3% turnout.
I'm pretty sure Wendy Alexander would have been appraised of this well before she started to make noises about more powers for Holyrood and became involved in her so called unionist alliance convention. She's no doubt been leading the Liberals and Tories on, pretending to be on message/on side when all along she would know that her mentor Broon, would not allow it.
Sadly Annabelle Goldie and that eejit Nicol Stephen fell for her con.
Just for your information on elections Broon..........
He stressed: "It's important to remember that two-thirds of the people of Scotland voted in the last elections for the Scottish Parliament for parties that oppose separation; for parties that support the maintenance of the Union."
It's important to remember that two-thirds of the people of Britain voted in the last elections for the Westminster Parliament for parties that oppose the Labour Party.
Labour received 35.3% of the popular vote, equating to approximately 22% of the electorate on a 61.3% turnout.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 1:34am Wed 9 Jan 08
Brown, Micro-Management Man[quote]Gordon Brown conspicuously failed to back the call by Wendy Alexander and other political leaders in for Holyrood to be given more powers, particularly over tax.[/quote] No surprise.
1. More powers effectively mean more power to the SNP.
2. On the basis of the snub Alexander's days are over.
3. Given no power to institute change she has no clout at all.
4. The electorate will perceive she isa cipher, and impotent.
5. A puppet Labour leader will be identified soon and appointed
Once more Labour proves it cannot and will not represent the interests of Scotland comprehensively, nor will it respond to majority democratic pressure.
Brown, Micro-Management Man
Gordon Brown conspicuously failed to back the call by Wendy Alexander and other political leaders in for Holyrood to be given more powers, particularly over tax.
No surprise.
1. More powers effectively mean more power to the SNP.
2. On the basis of the snub Alexander's days are over.
3. Given no power to institute change she has no clout at all.
4. The electorate will perceive she isa cipher, and impotent.
5. A puppet Labour leader will be identified soon and appointed
Once more Labour proves it cannot and will not represent the interests of Scotland comprehensively, nor will it respond to majority democratic pressure.
Posted by: donald, glasgow on 3:49am Wed 9 Jan 08
The Bendy Bus does not really want any more powers for Scotland and had to make that posture against Independence. They'll be damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Talking of illegal donations: what's new? The Tame Unions' opting out impossibility, whereby its members automatically opts in to pay a political levy to HM Lab our Party should be made illegal. It is morally wrong anyway and still amounts to theft.
The Bendy Bus does not really want any more powers for Scotland and had to make that posture against Independence. They'll be damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Talking of illegal donations: what's new? The Tame Unions' opting out impossibility, whereby its members automatically opts in to pay a political levy to HM Lab our Party should be made illegal. It is morally wrong anyway and still amounts to theft.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 4:22am Wed 9 Jan 08
The UK establishment thinks it can stall on Scottish independence long enough to drain the North Sea of oil. They may be right.
The UK establishment thinks it can stall on Scottish independence long enough to drain the North Sea of oil. They may be right.
Posted by: Maximillion, Scotland on 5:44am Wed 9 Jan 08
What a surprise. The Unionist "Constitutional Commission" is in disarray before it even got started.
Why am I not in the slightest bit surprised?
What a surprise. The Unionist "Constitutional Commission" is in disarray before it even got started.
Why am I not in the slightest bit surprised?
Posted by: Tru Scot, Over Here on 6:34am Wed 9 Jan 08
Lets stop this talk shop now, and go for a vote on Independence. While we waste time talking westminster are running to the bank with our taxes from North sea oil. westminster will not willingly give Scotland Independence while there is still oil under the North sea, so what to do now. IT'S TIME
Saor Alba
Lets stop this talk shop now, and go for a vote on Independence. While we waste time talking westminster are running to the bank with our taxes from North sea oil. westminster will not willingly give Scotland Independence while there is still oil under the North sea, so what to do now. IT'S TIME
Saor Alba
Posted by: Jimmy the Pie, North Sea on 6:39am Wed 9 Jan 08
Does anyone know of Wendy's whereabouts?? I've heard rumours that a large reward is being offered for her capture?
Does anyone know of Wendy's whereabouts?? I've heard rumours that a large reward is being offered for her capture?
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 7:28am Wed 9 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
Gordon Brown looks constipated. He's so anally retentive, he probably hasn't done a bowel movement in weeks.[/quote] Wullie - he's wairin an ATTENDS an had just started a wee joabie as the photie was taken.
Wullie wrote:
Gordon Brown looks constipated. He's so anally retentive, he probably hasn't done a bowel movement in weeks.
Wullie - he's wairin an ATTENDS an had just started a wee joabie as the photie was taken.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 7:56am Wed 9 Jan 08
The gants just can't get their pea-brains around simple facts:-
Scotland has not, never has and never will vote for Indepenence - as the elections in May showed.
No referendum is necessary - the people have voted - less than 1 in 6 adults in Scotland for the SNP.
Alex Salmond does not have a mandate from the people to divide the union.
The actions of the SNP are similar to those of a marraige breaking hussie.
Just because Wendy has chosen not to spread herself all over the media like hussie Salmond does not mean she is in hiding.
Gnats are like are bad rash in the neathers
The gants just can't get their pea-brains around simple facts:-
Scotland has not, never has and never will vote for Indepenence - as the elections in May showed.
No referendum is necessary - the people have voted - less than 1 in 6 adults in Scotland for the SNP.
Alex Salmond does not have a mandate from the people to divide the union.
The actions of the SNP are similar to those of a marraige breaking hussie.
Just because Wendy has chosen not to spread herself all over the media like hussie Salmond does not mean she is in hiding.
Gnats are like are bad rash in the neathers
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 8:08am Wed 9 Jan 08
Jimmy the Pie, North Sea on 6:39am today
"Does anyone know of Wendy's whereabouts?? I've heard rumours that a large reward is being offered for her capture?
Does anyone know of Wendy's whereabouts?? I've heard rumours that a large reward is being offered for her capture?"
Has anyone seen Jimmy's brain?
Jimmy are you the official supplier of pies to Bute House? Iv'e heard that more pies are delivered to But eHouse than eaten in the rest of Edinburgh.
Posted by: Tru Scot, Over Here on 6:34am today
"Lets stop this talk shop now, and go for a vote on Independence. While we waste time talking westminster are running to the bank with our taxes from North sea oil. westminster will not willingly give Scotland Independence while there is still oil under the North sea, so what to do now. IT'S TIME Saor Alba
Lets stop this talk shop now, and go for a vote on Independence. While we waste time talking westminster are running to the bank with our taxes from North sea oil. westminster will not willingly give Scotland Independence while there is still oil under the North sea, so what to do now. IT'S TIME
Saor Alba"
If you were a Tru Scot you wouldn't be over there you'd be over here. Another tartan tinted spectacle wearer no doubt, giving us pearls of wisdom from afar
Posted by: Maximillion, Scotland on 5:44am today
"What a surprise. The Unionist "Constitutional Commission" is in disarray before it even got started. Why am I not in the slightest bit surprised?
What a surprise. The Unionist "Constitutional Commission" is in disarray before it even got started.
Why am I not in the slightest bit surprised?"
Maximillion - you WISH it was in disaray. In the Labour Party there is freedom of speech and the opportunity to have different views. If you are a gnat you will not be able to get your head around this - it's Eck's way or the highway in the SNP isn't it?
I could go on taking apart gnat posts apart but it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrell.
Yawn
Jimmy the Pie, North Sea on 6:39am today
"Does anyone know of Wendy's whereabouts?? I've heard rumours that a large reward is being offered for her capture?
Does anyone know of Wendy's whereabouts?? I've heard rumours that a large reward is being offered for her capture?"
Has anyone seen Jimmy's brain?
Jimmy are you the official supplier of pies to Bute House? Iv'e heard that more pies are delivered to But eHouse than eaten in the rest of Edinburgh.
Posted by: Tru Scot, Over Here on 6:34am today
"Lets stop this talk shop now, and go for a vote on Independence. While we waste time talking westminster are running to the bank with our taxes from North sea oil. westminster will not willingly give Scotland Independence while there is still oil under the North sea, so what to do now. IT'S TIME Saor Alba
Lets stop this talk shop now, and go for a vote on Independence. While we waste time talking westminster are running to the bank with our taxes from North sea oil. westminster will not willingly give Scotland Independence while there is still oil under the North sea, so what to do now. IT'S TIME
Saor Alba"
If you were a Tru Scot you wouldn't be over there you'd be over here. Another tartan tinted spectacle wearer no doubt, giving us pearls of wisdom from afar
Posted by: Maximillion, Scotland on 5:44am today
"What a surprise. The Unionist "Constitutional Commission" is in disarray before it even got started. Why am I not in the slightest bit surprised?
What a surprise. The Unionist "Constitutional Commission" is in disarray before it even got started.
Why am I not in the slightest bit surprised?"
Maximillion - you WISH it was in disaray. In the Labour Party there is freedom of speech and the opportunity to have different views. If you are a gnat you will not be able to get your head around this - it's Eck's way or the highway in the SNP isn't it?
I could go on taking apart gnat posts apart but it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrell.
Yawn
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 8:21am Wed 9 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
The gants just can\'t get their pea-brains around simple facts:-
Scotland has not, never has and never will vote for Indepenence - as the elections in May showed.
No referendum is necessary - the people have voted - less than 1 in 6 adults in Scotland for the SNP.
Alex Salmond does not have a mandate from the people to divide the union.
The actions of the SNP are similar to those of a marraige breaking hussie.
Just because Wendy has chosen not to spread herself all over the media like hussie Salmond does not mean she is in hiding.
Gnats are like are bad rash in the neathers[/quote] Proud to be Scottish, more like Proud to be a door mat.
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
The gants just can\'t get their pea-brains around simple facts:-
Scotland has not, never has and never will vote for Indepenence - as the elections in May showed.
No referendum is necessary - the people have voted - less than 1 in 6 adults in Scotland for the SNP.
Alex Salmond does not have a mandate from the people to divide the union.
The actions of the SNP are similar to those of a marraige breaking hussie.
Just because Wendy has chosen not to spread herself all over the media like hussie Salmond does not mean she is in hiding.
Gnats are like are bad rash in the neathers
Proud to be Scottish, more like Proud to be a door mat.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 8:48am Wed 9 Jan 08
Dear Wullie (hates 20% of Scots)
I have noted that you have little else to do with your time that troll about these boards.
You sytsematically slag of all Glaswegians - that's 1 in 5 of all Scots!
Go and find yourself a sheep etc, etc, etc
PS Wullie
Did you ever hear the how copper wire was invented? - two (sorry - twa) Aberdonians fichtin over a pennie.
Or how the grand canyon was created? - an Aberdonian who lost a pennie
Dear Wullie (hates 20% of Scots)
I have noted that you have little else to do with your time that troll about these boards.
You sytsematically slag of all Glaswegians - that's 1 in 5 of all Scots!
Go and find yourself a sheep etc, etc, etc
PS Wullie
Did you ever hear the how copper wire was invented? - two (sorry - twa) Aberdonians fichtin over a pennie.
Or how the grand canyon was created? - an Aberdonian who lost a pennie
Posted by: robmcdonald, East Kilbride on 8:51am Wed 9 Jan 08
Proud to be Scottish (aye, as if...) says
[quote]Scotland has not, never has and never will vote for Indepenence - as the elections in May showed.
[/quote]
No, it did nothing of the sort. Your Labour mantra sounds a bit worn now.[quote]No referendum is necessary - the people have voted - less than 1 in 6 adults in Scotland for the SNP[/quote]
Sigh... as above
[quote]Alex Salmond does not have a mandate from the people to divide the union.[/quote]
Boring..... desperation quote.
[quote]The actions of the SNP are similar to those of a marraige breaking hussie.[/quote]
Do you want dependence or independence? You tell us.
....and best of all...
[quote]Just because Wendy has chosen not to spread herself all over the media like hussie Salmond does not mean she is in hiding.[/quote]
Ahhh haaa haaa haaaa haa haa oh me sides are splitting!
Proud to be Scottish (aye, as if...) says
Scotland has not, never has and never will vote for Indepenence - as the elections in May showed.
No, it did nothing of the sort. Your Labour mantra sounds a bit worn now.
No referendum is necessary - the people have voted - less than 1 in 6 adults in Scotland for the SNP
Sigh... as above
Alex Salmond does not have a mandate from the people to divide the union.
Boring..... desperation quote.
The actions of the SNP are similar to those of a marraige breaking hussie.
Do you want dependence or independence? You tell us.
....and best of all...
Just because Wendy has chosen not to spread herself all over the media like hussie Salmond does not mean she is in hiding.
Ahhh haaa haaa haaaa haa haa oh me sides are splitting!
Posted by: wullie, govan on 8:58am Wed 9 Jan 08
how many meetings has wee wendy had with maggie brooney !!!!!!!
how many meetings has wee wendy had with maggie brooney !!!!!!!
Posted by: Politically-incorrec
t Man, Glasgow on 9:12am Wed 9 Jan 08
Ode to the Electoral Commission
Oh where, oh where has my lap-dog gone
Oh where, oh where can it be
With its Labour place-men singing the party song
Oh where, oh where can it be?
Ode to the Electoral Commission
Oh where, oh where has my lap-dog gone
Oh where, oh where can it be
With its Labour place-men singing the party song
Oh where, oh where can it be?
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 9:13am Wed 9 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
Dear Wullie (hates 20% of Scots)
I have noted that you have little else to do with your time that troll about these boards.
You sytsematically slag of all Glaswegians - that's 1 in 5 of all Scots!
Go and find yourself a sheep etc, etc, etc
PS Wullie
Did you ever hear the how copper wire was invented? - two (sorry - twa) Aberdonians fichtin over a pennie.
Or how the grand canyon was created? - an Aberdonian who lost a pennie
[/quote] Dear Proud to be a door mat
If Gordon Brown was caught with his trousers down having sex with a donkey in Piccadilly Circus in front of 50,000 onlookers. Glaswegians will continue and continue to vote labour, and as we all know Glaswegians are just Irish people with their brain's bashed out.
You have to hit a Glaswegian over the head with a baseball bat before they vote for another party.
You '' Proud to be a door mat '' have proved my point. Half ned , half drunk, halfwit.
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
Dear Wullie (hates 20% of Scots)
I have noted that you have little else to do with your time that troll about these boards.
You sytsematically slag of all Glaswegians - that's 1 in 5 of all Scots!
Go and find yourself a sheep etc, etc, etc
PS Wullie
Did you ever hear the how copper wire was invented? - two (sorry - twa) Aberdonians fichtin over a pennie.
Or how the grand canyon was created? - an Aberdonian who lost a pennie
Dear Proud to be a door mat
If Gordon Brown was caught with his trousers down having sex with a donkey in Piccadilly Circus in front of 50,000 onlookers. Glaswegians will continue and continue to vote labour, and as we all know Glaswegians are just Irish people with their brain's bashed out.
You have to hit a Glaswegian over the head with a baseball bat before they vote for another party.
You '' Proud to be a door mat '' have proved my point. Half ned , half drunk, halfwit.
Posted by: Jimmy the Pie, North Sea on 9:22am Wed 9 Jan 08
Proud to be a Doormat
You asked "has anyone seen Jimmy's brain"?
At least I've got one.
Weggie loyalist bigots like you should stay in bed and try educating yourself - about as likely as the rest of us finding Wendy and her gang of criminals.
Proud to be a Doormat
You asked "has anyone seen Jimmy's brain"?
At least I've got one.
Weggie loyalist bigots like you should stay in bed and try educating yourself - about as likely as the rest of us finding Wendy and her gang of criminals.
Posted by: Politically-incorrec
t Man, Glasgow on 9:24am Wed 9 Jan 08
What a picture of Paw Broon. The elder statesman; lantern-jaw thrust defiantly forwards staring imperiously into the distance with an inner resolve capable of piloting the country through the choppy waters he sees ahead. You can just imagine the photo session “more chin! more chin! That’s it sweetie! Now do your Churchill glare; wonderful darling! Who’s the daddy who’s the daddy”
What a picture of Paw Broon. The elder statesman; lantern-jaw thrust defiantly forwards staring imperiously into the distance with an inner resolve capable of piloting the country through the choppy waters he sees ahead. You can just imagine the photo session “more chin! more chin! That’s it sweetie! Now do your Churchill glare; wonderful darling! Who’s the daddy who’s the daddy”
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 9:31am Wed 9 Jan 08
Dear Wullie
The Aberdonians reputation for being about as funny as a fart in a space suit is expertly demonstrated by another hilarious posting from yourself.
Furry boots did you leave your sense of humour?
Oops, I forgot your a gnat, and as such concentrate your efforts on affronting large sections of your countrymen.
Without oil Aberdeen would just a a fishin toon.
There is more chance of Wee (big) little (large) eck laying of the pies for a couple of days than GB being caught with his pants down, as I think you know - about zero on both scores.
Gordon Brown is leader of entegrity and has a capacity to lead that Eck can only dream of.
End of story
please fell free to continue ranting
Dear Wullie
The Aberdonians reputation for being about as funny as a fart in a space suit is expertly demonstrated by another hilarious posting from yourself.
Furry boots did you leave your sense of humour?
Oops, I forgot your a gnat, and as such concentrate your efforts on affronting large sections of your countrymen.
Without oil Aberdeen would just a a fishin toon.
There is more chance of Wee (big) little (large) eck laying of the pies for a couple of days than GB being caught with his pants down, as I think you know - about zero on both scores.
Gordon Brown is leader of entegrity and has a capacity to lead that Eck can only dream of.
End of story
please fell free to continue ranting
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 9:35am Wed 9 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Jimmy the Pie[/bold] wrote:
Proud to be a Doormat You asked "has anyone seen Jimmy's brain"? At least I've got one. Weggie loyalist bigots like you should stay in bed and try educating yourself - about as likely as the rest of us finding Wendy and her gang of criminals.[/quote] ho, ho what a side-splitter of a reposte - is it your turn to have the gnats brain today then Pieman?
I'm picking myselfup of the ground and trying to stop my sides from splitting anymore - oops there go my inners falling out
...
go to go
Jimmy the Pie wrote:
Proud to be a Doormat You asked "has anyone seen Jimmy's brain"? At least I've got one. Weggie loyalist bigots like you should stay in bed and try educating yourself - about as likely as the rest of us finding Wendy and her gang of criminals.
ho, ho what a side-splitter of a reposte - is it your turn to have the gnats brain today then Pieman?
I'm picking myselfup of the ground and trying to stop my sides from splitting anymore - oops there go my inners falling out
...
go to go
Posted by: Jimmy the Pie, North Sea on 9:46am Wed 9 Jan 08
Proud to be an idiot.
One good thing about the independence debate is how it has brought the green and blue nutters together to support the union. Who would have thought that Celtic's chairman and the Ibrox loyalists would be at one, gallantly fighting for the Union. Can't wait till independence day - it won't be long!
Proud to be an idiot.
One good thing about the independence debate is how it has brought the green and blue nutters together to support the union. Who would have thought that Celtic's chairman and the Ibrox loyalists would be at one, gallantly fighting for the Union. Can't wait till independence day - it won't be long!
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 9:59am Wed 9 Jan 08
Proud to be a Door mat says '' That was as funny as a fart in a space suit.'' Billy Connelly ( unfunny drunk ) made that joke in 1972 on the Michael Parkinson Show. Please get some new material.
Without Scottish North Sea Oil, your beloved United Kingdom would be in deep, deep shittt. Plus you cant spell '' entegrity.''
Proud to be a Door mat says '' That was as funny as a fart in a space suit.'' Billy Connelly ( unfunny drunk ) made that joke in 1972 on the Michael Parkinson Show. Please get some new material.
Without Scottish North Sea Oil, your beloved United Kingdom would be in deep, deep shittt. Plus you cant spell '' entegrity.''
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 10:04am Wed 9 Jan 08
To Jimmy in the North Sea, Wullie in Aberdeen and all North Easterners.
How dispicable that those that have benefited the most from Britains Oil (those in the NE of Scotland) are the mosty fervent gnats.
This is called greed folks.
The rest of us live in reality, NEners have oil money left right and centre - far more than the British Government has raised in oil tax.
What do we hear - gratitude - no.
MORE
MORE
ME
ME
US
US
This is a United Kingdom - why don't you NEers go somewhere where you would be more welcome.
The rest of us have allegiance.
I don't expect you to understand
To Jimmy in the North Sea, Wullie in Aberdeen and all North Easterners.
How dispicable that those that have benefited the most from Britains Oil (those in the NE of Scotland) are the mosty fervent gnats.
This is called greed folks.
The rest of us live in reality, NEners have oil money left right and centre - far more than the British Government has raised in oil tax.
What do we hear - gratitude - no.
MORE
MORE
ME
ME
US
US
This is a United Kingdom - why don't you NEers go somewhere where you would be more welcome.
The rest of us have allegiance.
I don't expect you to understand
Posted by: Gus, Scotland and Europe on 10:05am Wed 9 Jan 08
Am I right in thinking that Labour want to sh@ft the people of Scotland by keeping taxes raised in Scotland in Scotland and yet allowing the proceeds of oil to continue to Westminster. Labour, if you want to stand up for the people of Scotland then do it right and properly instead of this nonsense. Otherwise, stand aside while the big boys have a proper discussion about our future.
Oh, and go away Proud to be... you are very, very dull.
Am I right in thinking that Labour want to sh@ft the people of Scotland by keeping taxes raised in Scotland in Scotland and yet allowing the proceeds of oil to continue to Westminster. Labour, if you want to stand up for the people of Scotland then do it right and properly instead of this nonsense. Otherwise, stand aside while the big boys have a proper discussion about our future.
Oh, and go away Proud to be... you are very, very dull.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 10:09am Wed 9 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
Proud to be a Door mat says '' That was as funny as a fart in a space suit.'' Billy Connelly ( unfunny drunk ) made that joke in 1972 on the Michael Parkinson Show. Please get some new material. Without Scottish North Sea Oil, your beloved United Kingdom would be in deep, deep shittt. Plus you cant spell '' entegrity.'' [/quote] Furry boots in Aberdeen would Billy be from then?????!!!!!!!
The same part as all those other Aberdonian comedy geniuses???!!!
Believe it or not Wullie - those of us Scots from other parts of Scotland have something called a personality - we don't sit here spell checking our posts.
Just who is an anal retentive Wullie?
LOL
Wullie wrote:
Proud to be a Door mat says '' That was as funny as a fart in a space suit.'' Billy Connelly ( unfunny drunk ) made that joke in 1972 on the Michael Parkinson Show. Please get some new material. Without Scottish North Sea Oil, your beloved United Kingdom would be in deep, deep shittt. Plus you cant spell '' entegrity.''
Furry boots in Aberdeen would Billy be from then?????!!!!!!!
The same part as all those other Aberdonian comedy geniuses???!!!
Believe it or not Wullie - those of us Scots from other parts of Scotland have something called a personality - we don't sit here spell checking our posts.
Just who is an anal retentive Wullie?
LOL
Posted by: Angus on 10:11am Wed 9 Jan 08
Hey 'door Matt" (Proud to be Scottish) what a load of crap laughable however I am shocked as to your freedom of speech in the Labour Party---Listen Matey
Inbred fat beer-bellyed,dishone
st,inept,immoral,buc
h of chancers that ammount to nothing other than a Cancerous Stain upon the history of this nation.
Roll on the Independant Scottish Labour Party,as a man said years ago whom would have undoubtedly voted for the above emerging politics--Its coming yet for a' that.
And i'll tell you right now the ISLP process has already started,so get with it for *uck-of*
Hey 'door Matt" (Proud to be Scottish) what a load of crap laughable however I am shocked as to your freedom of speech in the Labour Party---Listen Matey
Inbred fat beer-bellyed,dishone
st,inept,immoral,buc
h of chancers that ammount to nothing other than a Cancerous Stain upon the history of this nation.
Roll on the Independant Scottish Labour Party,as a man said years ago whom would have undoubtedly voted for the above emerging politics--Its coming yet for a' that.
And i'll tell you right now the ISLP process has already started,so get with it for *uck-of*
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 10:14am Wed 9 Jan 08
Proud to be a Door Mat , drunk and insane.
Of course the North Sea OIl belongs to Scotland.
Do you think it belongs to Tibet or Peru.
Ps. You have spelled '' dispicable'' wrong.
So much for Tony Blairs education,education, education.
Proud to be a Door Mat , drunk and insane.
Of course the North Sea OIl belongs to Scotland.
Do you think it belongs to Tibet or Peru.
Ps. You have spelled '' dispicable'' wrong.
So much for Tony Blairs education,education, education.
Posted by: daveymac, web on 10:14am Wed 9 Jan 08
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 7:56am
You are a great example that the decades long Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt campaign from Labour and other Unionist parties really has had a lasting impact in some of the more fragile, impressionable individuals in our society.
At least you have reached the Denial stage and have overcame your deep seated self-loathing to vent in the safety and annonymity of a web site.
Bit by bit realisation will take hold and as acceptance that you have been mislead takes hold, the search for the guilty and need for revenge may lead to dire results. Get help. Call the Unionists Anonymous now, you will be with friends who can help!! The condition IS treatable, but addiction will be a life long problem for you I'm afraid!
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 7:56am
You are a great example that the decades long Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt campaign from Labour and other Unionist parties really has had a lasting impact in some of the more fragile, impressionable individuals in our society.
At least you have reached the Denial stage and have overcame your deep seated self-loathing to vent in the safety and annonymity of a web site.
Bit by bit realisation will take hold and as acceptance that you have been mislead takes hold, the search for the guilty and need for revenge may lead to dire results. Get help. Call the Unionists Anonymous now, you will be with friends who can help!! The condition IS treatable, but addiction will be a life long problem for you I'm afraid!
Posted by: Tru Scot, Over Here on 10:17am Wed 9 Jan 08
Proud to be a door mate
You and your elk should go south of the border, if they will take you, as you are doing nothing but mudding the waters in Scotland. BTW I have seen more pride on the back of an ****, stay a door mate
Proud to be a door mate
You and your elk should go south of the border, if they will take you, as you are doing nothing but mudding the waters in Scotland. BTW I have seen more pride on the back of an ****, stay a door mate
Posted by: daveymac, web on 10:19am Wed 9 Jan 08
P.S. Looking for Wendy? Shes already at Unionists Anonymous getting some of the cathartic help she badly needs.
P.S. Looking for Wendy? Shes already at Unionists Anonymous getting some of the cathartic help she badly needs.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:20am Wed 9 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
Dear Wullie
The Aberdonians reputation for being about as funny as a fart in a space suit is expertly demonstrated by another hilarious posting from yourself.
Furry boots did you leave your sense of humour?
Oops, I forgot your a gnat, and as such concentrate your efforts on affronting large sections of your countrymen.
Without oil Aberdeen would just a a fishin toon.
There is more chance of Wee (big) little (large) eck laying of the pies for a couple of days than GB being caught with his pants down, as I think you know - about zero on both scores.
Gordon Brown is leader of entegrity and has a capacity to lead that Eck can only dream of.
End of story
please fell free to continue ranting[/quote] ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - Proud to be Dependent doesn't even want to give people the choice on scotland'' future....
Your STAUNCH I'll give you that.. ...FANATIC?
Are you a Rangers Fan Proud to be British?
You might enjoy this wee link, the caller sounds very like you...
[bold]http://tinyurl.com/2
6kw6y[/bold]
The majority of Scots voted in 2007 for parties committed to increasing the powers of the Scottish Parliament. Those increased powers ranged from full independence, fiscal autonomy and federalism with full tax raising and spending powers..... [bold]Labour have nowhere to go.[/bold]
We're also all aware that that two-thirds of the people of Britain voted in the last elections for the Westminster Parliament for parties that oppose the Labour Party.
Labour received 35.3% of the popular vote, equating to approximately 22% of the electorate on a 61.3% turnout.
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
Dear Wullie
The Aberdonians reputation for being about as funny as a fart in a space suit is expertly demonstrated by another hilarious posting from yourself.
Furry boots did you leave your sense of humour?
Oops, I forgot your a gnat, and as such concentrate your efforts on affronting large sections of your countrymen.
Without oil Aberdeen would just a a fishin toon.
There is more chance of Wee (big) little (large) eck laying of the pies for a couple of days than GB being caught with his pants down, as I think you know - about zero on both scores.
Gordon Brown is leader of entegrity and has a capacity to lead that Eck can only dream of.
End of story
please fell free to continue ranting
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - Proud to be Dependent doesn't even want to give people the choice on scotland'' future....
Your STAUNCH I'll give you that.. ...FANATIC?
Are you a Rangers Fan Proud to be British?
You might enjoy this wee link, the caller sounds very like you...
http://tinyurl.com/2
6kw6y
The majority of Scots voted in 2007 for parties committed to increasing the powers of the Scottish Parliament. Those increased powers ranged from full independence, fiscal autonomy and federalism with full tax raising and spending powers.....
Labour have nowhere to go.
We're also all aware that that two-thirds of the people of Britain voted in the last elections for the Westminster Parliament for parties that oppose the Labour Party.
Labour received 35.3% of the popular vote, equating to approximately 22% of the electorate on a 61.3% turnout.
Posted by: away an bile yer hied, Scotlsnd on 10:21am Wed 9 Jan 08
Brown is an edjit. Get him out asap. What a waster. Him and his cronnies are too busy trying to alter the political landscape to suit their or their party's needs.
The moral that they are there for the people is bunkum, they are there for themselves.
GET HIM OOT !!!
Brown is an edjit. Get him out asap. What a waster. Him and his cronnies are too busy trying to alter the political landscape to suit their or their party's needs.
The moral that they are there for the people is bunkum, they are there for themselves.
GET HIM OOT !!!
Posted by: John, Glasgow on 10:28am Wed 9 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote: Dear Wullie (hates 20% of Scots) I have noted that you have little else to do with your time that troll about these boards. You sytsematically slag of all Glaswegians - that\'s 1 in 5 of all Scots! Go and find yourself a sheep etc, etc, etc PS Wullie Did you ever hear the how copper wire was invented? - two (sorry - twa) Aberdonians fichtin over a pennie. Or how the grand canyon was created? - an Aberdonian who lost a pennie [/quote] Dear Proud to be a door mat If Gordon Brown was caught with his trousers down having sex with a donkey in Piccadilly Circus in front of 50,000 onlookers. Glaswegians will continue and continue to vote labour, and as we all know Glaswegians are just Irish people with their brain\'s bashed out. You have to hit a Glaswegian over the head with a baseball bat before they vote for another party. You \'\' Proud to be a door mat \'\' have proved my point. Half ned , half drunk, halfwit. [/quote] Hi Wullie from Aberdeen
[bold]How do Aberdonians find sheep in long grass
DELIGHTFUL[/bold]
Wullie wrote:
Proud to be Scottish wrote: Dear Wullie (hates 20% of Scots) I have noted that you have little else to do with your time that troll about these boards. You sytsematically slag of all Glaswegians - that\'s 1 in 5 of all Scots! Go and find yourself a sheep etc, etc, etc PS Wullie Did you ever hear the how copper wire was invented? - two (sorry - twa) Aberdonians fichtin over a pennie. Or how the grand canyon was created? - an Aberdonian who lost a pennie
Dear Proud to be a door mat If Gordon Brown was caught with his trousers down having sex with a donkey in Piccadilly Circus in front of 50,000 onlookers. Glaswegians will continue and continue to vote labour, and as we all know Glaswegians are just Irish people with their brain\'s bashed out. You have to hit a Glaswegian over the head with a baseball bat before they vote for another party. You \'\' Proud to be a door mat \'\' have proved my point. Half ned , half drunk, halfwit.
Hi Wullie from Aberdeen
How do Aberdonians find sheep in long grass
DELIGHTFUL Posted by: Heederum-Hoderum, High Horse on 10:29am Wed 9 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
Jimmy the Pie, North Sea on 6:39am today \"Does anyone know of Wendy\'s whereabouts?? I\'ve heard rumours that a large reward is being offered for her capture? Does anyone know of Wendy\'s whereabouts?? I\'ve heard rumours that a large reward is being offered for her capture?\" Has anyone seen Jimmy\'s brain? Jimmy are you the official supplier of pies to Bute House? Iv\'e heard that more pies are delivered to But eHouse than eaten in the rest of Edinburgh. Posted by: Tru Scot, Over Here on 6:34am today \"Lets stop this talk shop now, and go for a vote on Independence. While we waste time talking westminster are running to the bank with our taxes from North sea oil. westminster will not willingly give Scotland Independence while there is still oil under the North sea, so what to do now. IT\'S TIME Saor Alba Lets stop this talk shop now, and go for a vote on Independence. While we waste time talking westminster are running to the bank with our taxes from North sea oil. westminster will not willingly give Scotland Independence while there is still oil under the North sea, so what to do now. IT\'S TIME Saor Alba\" If you were a Tru Scot you wouldn\'t be over there you\'d be over here. Another tartan tinted spectacle wearer no doubt, giving us pearls of wisdom from afar Posted by: Maximillion, Scotland on 5:44am today \"What a surprise. The Unionist \"Constitutional Commission\" is in disarray before it even got started. Why am I not in the slightest bit surprised? What a surprise. The Unionist \"Constitutional Commission\" is in disarray before it even got started. Why am I not in the slightest bit surprised?\" Maximillion - you WISH it was in disaray. In the Labour Party there is freedom of speech and the opportunity to have different views. If you are a gnat you will not be able to get your head around this - it\'s Eck\'s way or the highway in the SNP isn\'t it? I could go on taking apart gnat posts apart but it\'s a bit like shooting fish in a barrell. Yawn [/quote] PROUD to be a moron
"Taking apart nat posts"?????
Whit? Eh??
Keep it up sir.............the level of debate comin' frae unionists needs to be exploited by the independence movement............
an' yer playin' us a STORMER !!!
Mony thanks!!
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
Jimmy the Pie, North Sea on 6:39am today \"Does anyone know of Wendy\'s whereabouts?? I\'ve heard rumours that a large reward is being offered for her capture? Does anyone know of Wendy\'s whereabouts?? I\'ve heard rumours that a large reward is being offered for her capture?\" Has anyone seen Jimmy\'s brain? Jimmy are you the official supplier of pies to Bute House? Iv\'e heard that more pies are delivered to But eHouse than eaten in the rest of Edinburgh. Posted by: Tru Scot, Over Here on 6:34am today \"Lets stop this talk shop now, and go for a vote on Independence. While we waste time talking westminster are running to the bank with our taxes from North sea oil. westminster will not willingly give Scotland Independence while there is still oil under the North sea, so what to do now. IT\'S TIME Saor Alba Lets stop this talk shop now, and go for a vote on Independence. While we waste time talking westminster are running to the bank with our taxes from North sea oil. westminster will not willingly give Scotland Independence while there is still oil under the North sea, so what to do now. IT\'S TIME Saor Alba\" If you were a Tru Scot you wouldn\'t be over there you\'d be over here. Another tartan tinted spectacle wearer no doubt, giving us pearls of wisdom from afar Posted by: Maximillion, Scotland on 5:44am today \"What a surprise. The Unionist \"Constitutional Commission\" is in disarray before it even got started. Why am I not in the slightest bit surprised? What a surprise. The Unionist \"Constitutional Commission\" is in disarray before it even got started. Why am I not in the slightest bit surprised?\" Maximillion - you WISH it was in disaray. In the Labour Party there is freedom of speech and the opportunity to have different views. If you are a gnat you will not be able to get your head around this - it\'s Eck\'s way or the highway in the SNP isn\'t it? I could go on taking apart gnat posts apart but it\'s a bit like shooting fish in a barrell. Yawn
PROUD to be a moron
"Taking apart nat posts"?????
Whit? Eh??
Keep it up sir.............the level of debate comin' frae unionists needs to be exploited by the independence movement............
an' yer playin' us a STORMER !!!
Mony thanks!!
Posted by: Jim, Glasgow on 10:32am Wed 9 Jan 08
Steady Chaps - there are plenty of right minded Scots in Glasgow - although we certainly have too many Labour nit wits - but as time goes by more and more Labour numpties are seeing the light.
It is of course embarrasing that people like Proud to be ..... even exist in our country - years after independence Proud to be will be telling anyone who will listen that he was in favour of independence all the time - thats how these narrow minded jerks operate!
Steady Chaps - there are plenty of right minded Scots in Glasgow - although we certainly have too many Labour nit wits - but as time goes by more and more Labour numpties are seeing the light.
It is of course embarrasing that people like Proud to be ..... even exist in our country - years after independence Proud to be will be telling anyone who will listen that he was in favour of independence all the time - thats how these narrow minded jerks operate!
Posted by: daveymac, web on 10:40am Wed 9 Jan 08
Back to the story...
Browns position is hardly surpising.
He is distancing himself from Wendy if she takes the fall.
If she somehow survives, at least for a while, then she can say that Scottish (sic) Labour is somehow devolved from Labour, that devolution is working... yada, yada.
he was almost correct about one thing: "This is a debate about the responsibility and accountability of the Scottish Parliament for the use of resources it spends". Remove the 'it spends' and he would suddenly be candid.
Meanwhile he is happy spending all those extra regio resources and everything else accrued to London, or ring fenced as a 'National project' based in London, all taking up pages and pages of importance in the UK budget each year.
Where is the responsibility and accountability for the resources Westminster spends? Obfuscation (FOI), Obfuscation(Extra Regio), Obfuscation(GERS), ... etc etc.
Back to the story...
Browns position is hardly surpising.
He is distancing himself from Wendy if she takes the fall.
If she somehow survives, at least for a while, then she can say that Scottish (sic) Labour is somehow devolved from Labour, that devolution is working... yada, yada.
he was almost correct about one thing: "This is a debate about the responsibility and accountability of the Scottish Parliament for the use of resources it spends". Remove the 'it spends' and he would suddenly be candid.
Meanwhile he is happy spending all those extra regio resources and everything else accrued to London, or ring fenced as a 'National project' based in London, all taking up pages and pages of importance in the UK budget each year.
Where is the responsibility and accountability for the resources Westminster spends? Obfuscation (FOI), Obfuscation(Extra Regio), Obfuscation(GERS), ... etc etc.
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 10:49am Wed 9 Jan 08
"Gordon Brown is a leader of entegrity" -sic- Hahhahahahhaha
Would that be the sort of "integrity" that leads our country into ilegal
bloody wars such as Iraq? Almost one million civilian deaths, 4 million refugees. The sort of integrity that lets him incarcerate
refugee asylum seekers and their kids? Or the type which allows him to expand the WMD Trident replacement programme, and commision a new generation of nuclear power stations?
And this leader of the "Peoples Party" has overseen the ever
increasing child poverty rates, NHS privatisation, PFI's,
and yet again seeks to hammer the unemployed and the sick and disabled. Is that what passes for "integrity" in the NEW LABOUR PARTY you dumb FCUKWIT?
"Gordon Brown is a leader of entegrity" -sic- Hahhahahahhaha
Would that be the sort of "integrity" that leads our country into ilegal
bloody wars such as Iraq? Almost one million civilian deaths, 4 million refugees. The sort of integrity that lets him incarcerate
refugee asylum seekers and their kids? Or the type which allows him to expand the WMD Trident replacement programme, and commision a new generation of nuclear power stations?
And this leader of the "Peoples Party" has overseen the ever
increasing child poverty rates, NHS privatisation, PFI's,
and yet again seeks to hammer the unemployed and the sick and disabled. Is that what passes for "integrity" in the NEW LABOUR PARTY you dumb FCUKWIT?
Posted by: Tru Scot, Over Here on 10:53am Wed 9 Jan 08
Jim, Glasgow and daveymac, web
Nice posts when the people stick to the topic at hand and are not side tracked by some nit wit who is just on here for a bit of fun
Jim, Glasgow and daveymac, web
Nice posts when the people stick to the topic at hand and are not side tracked by some nit wit who is just on here for a bit of fun
Posted by: redcliffe62, brisbane on hols, just not cricket on 11:13am Wed 9 Jan 08
Until Wendy answers a straight question with Brown in the room at the same time, without his hand up her back to make her mouth move, and the answers are compared and then collated, we will have to assume that evasionary tactics and denial remain the only approach. Tried and tested on everything from donations to Iraq. Guilt is not merely implied, it is presumed based on these actions.
I find it sad that Brown has talked to Gaddafi and half of the countries in the Middle East and has avoided even talking to his own countrymen democratically elected to look after Scotland.
Mind you, he often avoids democratically elected governments he disagrees with, such as Hamas; it is far easier to ignore them and deal with someone else, ebven if they did not win the vote. Annoying when people support others more than his choice.
This ostrich approach to politics, to deny at all costs, to stick your head in the sand and hope to still get the giro vote of 35% and win the west will continue ad infinitum.
Now that Gordon Brown has been annointed by David Beckham as their best supporter I feel his transition from Scotsman to a robotic Neanderthal anglophile has been completed.
Heard from a waiter at Number 10 they heard Brown singing, not about Glasgow as he first thought by the tune.........
I belong to London,
Dear Old London Town,
What's the matter with London lads,
I run it, Gordon Brown.......
If only those nasty wee nationalists,
Would make some mistakes like me.
I really would like to support all things British,
But Beckham's the man for me!
Finally Proud to be Scottish(ish), have your arguments, but make an effort and try to be more constructive, or humorous, they meander around like the warblings of a badly behaved pre schooler.
Until Wendy answers a straight question with Brown in the room at the same time, without his hand up her back to make her mouth move, and the answers are compared and then collated, we will have to assume that evasionary tactics and denial remain the only approach. Tried and tested on everything from donations to Iraq. Guilt is not merely implied, it is presumed based on these actions.
I find it sad that Brown has talked to Gaddafi and half of the countries in the Middle East and has avoided even talking to his own countrymen democratically elected to look after Scotland.
Mind you, he often avoids democratically elected governments he disagrees with, such as Hamas; it is far easier to ignore them and deal with someone else, ebven if they did not win the vote. Annoying when people support others more than his choice.
This ostrich approach to politics, to deny at all costs, to stick your head in the sand and hope to still get the giro vote of 35% and win the west will continue ad infinitum.
Now that Gordon Brown has been annointed by David Beckham as their best supporter I feel his transition from Scotsman to a robotic Neanderthal anglophile has been completed.
Heard from a waiter at Number 10 they heard Brown singing, not about Glasgow as he first thought by the tune.........
I belong to London,
Dear Old London Town,
What's the matter with London lads,
I run it, Gordon Brown.......
If only those nasty wee nationalists,
Would make some mistakes like me.
I really would like to support all things British,
But Beckham's the man for me!
Finally Proud to be Scottish(ish), have your arguments, but make an effort and try to be more constructive, or humorous, they meander around like the warblings of a badly behaved pre schooler.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 11:29am Wed 9 Jan 08
Back to the article perhaps (it gets a little tiring swatting the buzzing gnat hordes as they go far off topic).
Why to the gnats have a problem with Gordon Brown saying the debate has begun?
Labour are a Party of inclusion that welcomes debate.
We welcome comment from all.
We welcome different opinions.
We are not scared of letting the people talk and have their say.
The SNP are a little different. They open a talk shop and invite only themselves. There is only one thing to talk about - indepenedence.
Why don't some of you more enlightened gnats come over into the light? AS is taking you into the dark.
Labour - the Party of the People.
SNP - the party of the dark ages and for NE self determination
Back to the article perhaps (it gets a little tiring swatting the buzzing gnat hordes as they go far off topic).
Why to the gnats have a problem with Gordon Brown saying the debate has begun?
Labour are a Party of inclusion that welcomes debate.
We welcome comment from all.
We welcome different opinions.
We are not scared of letting the people talk and have their say.
The SNP are a little different. They open a talk shop and invite only themselves. There is only one thing to talk about - indepenedence.
Why don't some of you more enlightened gnats come over into the light? AS is taking you into the dark.
Labour - the Party of the People.
SNP - the party of the dark ages and for NE self determination
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 11:37am Wed 9 Jan 08
Proud to be a doormat. Yep it all comes down to one thing at the end of the day. We are Scottish Nationalist who believe in the people of Scotland above all else. You on the other hand are a BritNat who believes in the British System that is dictated by London depending on which way the wind blows that particular day.
Its says everything really. Try to be honest and state your interest in why you want to be a part of a system that holds your country in such contempt. Labour Numpty and a half are you, who follows the party line right to the door that divies out the Brown Envelopes to the chosen few.
Proud to be a doormat. Yep it all comes down to one thing at the end of the day. We are Scottish Nationalist who believe in the people of Scotland above all else. You on the other hand are a BritNat who believes in the British System that is dictated by London depending on which way the wind blows that particular day.
Its says everything really. Try to be honest and state your interest in why you want to be a part of a system that holds your country in such contempt. Labour Numpty and a half are you, who follows the party line right to the door that divies out the Brown Envelopes to the chosen few.
Posted by: AM2, Glasgow on 11:38am Wed 9 Jan 08
Proud to be Scottish said:
[quote]the people have voted - less than 1 in 6 adults in Scotland for the SNP[/quote]
Typical non-SNP voter. Lies, lies, lies! ;-)
Firstly, not every adult in Scotland is on the electoral register.
Secondly, 16.82% of the electorate voted SNP. One in six is only 16.67%.
Get your facts straight next time, eh?! ;-)
Proud to be Scottish said:
the people have voted - less than 1 in 6 adults in Scotland for the SNP
Typical non-SNP voter. Lies, lies, lies! ;-)
Firstly, not every adult in Scotland is on the electoral register.
Secondly, 16.82% of the electorate voted SNP. One in six is only 16.67%.
Get your facts straight next time, eh?! ;-)
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:41am Wed 9 Jan 08
Proud to be a Door Mat back again
Labour - the party of treating Scotland like a Door Mat.
SNP - Standing up for Scotland and treating her with respect.
Proud to be a Door Mat back again
Labour - the party of treating Scotland like a Door Mat.
SNP - Standing up for Scotland and treating her with respect.
Posted by: Colin McDonald, Walton-on-Thames on 11:42am Wed 9 Jan 08
Proud to be Scottish wrote - "Labour are a Party of inclusion that welcomes debate."
and
"The SNP are a little different. They open a talk shop and invite only themselves. There is only one thing to talk about - indepenedence."
Clearly PtbS you have not read the national conversation document produced by the Scottish Government. It outlines all of the options availbale to Scotland from Status Quo to Full Independence. The national conversation website is an inclusive site specifically set up so that people of all political persuasions can debate their points of view. If the contributions tend to be more pro independence it is simply because pro-independence people are posting more, not because there is a barrier to entry for anyone not sharing that political view.
Contrast that to the stance of the labour party and the lid dems and tories, they would like to have a commission debate the extension of devolved powers, [bold]without[/bold] the remit to dicuss and pass judgement on the pros and cons of independence. - Can you please tell me how this sits with your "inclusive" comment above?
The SNP support a referendum with multiple questions thereby allowing the Scottish populace the ability to make their own decision about Scotland's constitutional future. The unionist parties on the other hand will not allow such a referendum. Given that most polls show support for a referendum at around the 80% level, how does this stack up with your position that Labour are a party of democracy?
And please, I'd like a coherent, thought out answer and not some infantile name calling coupled with obfuscation and general muddying of the waters
Proud to be Scottish wrote - "Labour are a Party of inclusion that welcomes debate."
and
"The SNP are a little different. They open a talk shop and invite only themselves. There is only one thing to talk about - indepenedence."
Clearly PtbS you have not read the national conversation document produced by the Scottish Government. It outlines all of the options availbale to Scotland from Status Quo to Full Independence. The national conversation website is an inclusive site specifically set up so that people of all political persuasions can debate their points of view. If the contributions tend to be more pro independence it is simply because pro-independence people are posting more, not because there is a barrier to entry for anyone not sharing that political view.
Contrast that to the stance of the labour party and the lid dems and tories, they would like to have a commission debate the extension of devolved powers,
without the remit to dicuss and pass judgement on the pros and cons of independence. - Can you please tell me how this sits with your "inclusive" comment above?
The SNP support a referendum with multiple questions thereby allowing the Scottish populace the ability to make their own decision about Scotland's constitutional future. The unionist parties on the other hand will not allow such a referendum. Given that most polls show support for a referendum at around the 80% level, how does this stack up with your position that Labour are a party of democracy?
And please, I'd like a coherent, thought out answer and not some infantile name calling coupled with obfuscation and general muddying of the waters
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 11:43am Wed 9 Jan 08
Britnat, you and everyone else knows that the SNP is the voice of the Scottish People. Every poll that has been released since May proves that beyond a reasonable doubt. After the next General Election the majority of MP's to Westminster shall be SNP. Then the mandate will be proclaimed that the Scottish People have voted for Independance. End of story Britnat, you shall have to do a Broon and start to develop your English accent. see ya later boy.
Britnat, you and everyone else knows that the SNP is the voice of the Scottish People. Every poll that has been released since May proves that beyond a reasonable doubt. After the next General Election the majority of MP's to Westminster shall be SNP. Then the mandate will be proclaimed that the Scottish People have voted for Independance. End of story Britnat, you shall have to do a Broon and start to develop your English accent. see ya later boy.
Posted by: AM2, Glasgow on 11:43am Wed 9 Jan 08
Mike, Edinburgh @ 11:37am
[quote]We ... believe in the people of Scotland above all else[/quote]
I was with you until "above all else". That smacks of xenophobia.
[quote]dictated by London depending on which way the wind blows that particular day[/quote]
Stark contrast to your first quote. Wha's Like Us? **** Few And They're A' Sassenach, eh? Hmm, message received.
Mike, Edinburgh @ 11:37am
We ... believe in the people of Scotland above all else
I was with you until "above all else". That smacks of xenophobia.
dictated by London depending on which way the wind blows that particular day
Stark contrast to your first quote. Wha's Like Us? **** Few And They're A' Sassenach, eh? Hmm, message received.
Posted by: Ayrshire Scot on 11:46am Wed 9 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
To Jimmy in the North Sea, Wullie in Aberdeen and all North Easterners. How dispicable that those that have benefited the most from Britains Oil (those in the NE of Scotland) are the mosty fervent gnats. This is called greed folks. The rest of us live in reality, NEners have oil money left right and centre - far more than the British Government has raised in oil tax. What do we hear - gratitude - no. MORE MORE ME ME US US This is a United Kingdom - why don't you NEers go somewhere where you would be more welcome. The rest of us have allegiance. I don't expect you to understand[/quote] How despicable that the only people now benefitting from Iraq's massive oil wealth are Americans and rich Westerners. 17 of 82 operational oil fielsd are under Iraq govrnment control, the rest are under the control of US corporations. Meanwhile cholera is epidemic due to the smashed infra-structure and women are executed daily by the fundamentalist militias who now control most of the country.
This is greed. This is a shocking affront to human rights. This is new Labour foreign policy. Lets have no lectures on greed or morality from a new Labour hack whose party supports this carnage, supported Dungavel, failed to condemn Guantanamo or rendition flights, and whose idea of "morality" is now to break laws right, left and centre and issue puke-worthy apologies as if this negates the law breaking.
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
To Jimmy in the North Sea, Wullie in Aberdeen and all North Easterners. How dispicable that those that have benefited the most from Britains Oil (those in the NE of Scotland) are the mosty fervent gnats. This is called greed folks. The rest of us live in reality, NEners have oil money left right and centre - far more than the British Government has raised in oil tax. What do we hear - gratitude - no. MORE MORE ME ME US US This is a United Kingdom - why don't you NEers go somewhere where you would be more welcome. The rest of us have allegiance. I don't expect you to understand
How despicable that the only people now benefitting from Iraq's massive oil wealth are Americans and rich Westerners. 17 of 82 operational oil fielsd are under Iraq govrnment control, the rest are under the control of US corporations. Meanwhile cholera is epidemic due to the smashed infra-structure and women are executed daily by the fundamentalist militias who now control most of the country.
This is greed. This is a shocking affront to human rights. This is new Labour foreign policy. Lets have no lectures on greed or morality from a new Labour hack whose party supports this carnage, supported Dungavel, failed to condemn Guantanamo or rendition flights, and whose idea of "morality" is now to break laws right, left and centre and issue puke-worthy apologies as if this negates the law breaking.
Posted by: AM2, Glasgow on 11:46am Wed 9 Jan 08
Mike, Edinburgh @ 11:43am
[quote]...you shall have to do a Broon and start to develop your English accent[/quote]
Ah, the old nationalists-are-mor
e-Scottish-than-ever
ybody-else idea. Nice.
Mike, Edinburgh @ 11:43am
...you shall have to do a Broon and start to develop your English accent
Ah, the old nationalists-are-mor
e-Scottish-than-ever
ybody-else idea. Nice.
Posted by: Mike MacKinnon on 11:46am Wed 9 Jan 08
Jeez, will you all stop feeding the troll? This person has a serious personality disorder and can only find some vicarious life satisfaction by trolling newsgroups. The fact that you all reply gives it the oxygen it requires.
Ignore it and it will go away. It cannot exist without replies!
Jeez, will you all stop feeding the troll? This person has a serious personality disorder and can only find some vicarious life satisfaction by trolling newsgroups. The fact that you all reply gives it the oxygen it requires.
Ignore it and it will go away. It cannot exist without replies!
Posted by: The Aberdonian, Edinburgh on 11:47am Wed 9 Jan 08
I am sure once he is out of office our Mr Brown will make a Damascean conversion for more powers, along with his nitwit colleagues on the backbenches. They want to retain power now because they are in power but once the Tories oust them from government they will all become enthusiastic devolutionists. Some Scottish backbench MPs might even head north as they are statistically more likely to get a ministerial portfolio.
Will the union survive? I tend to see Scottish independence of some sort as highly likely but not inevitable in the decades to come. The British state seems incapable of reform. Reform only happens if there is party advantage for the government i.e. devolution was supposed to ringfence Labour power in Scotland and Wales against any future UK English-supported Tory governments. Ditto for the House of Lords, an unaccountable appointed house which governments for years have been selling life-time membership too. What Labour is alleged to have done there is nothing new. Labour just got rid of the heredrity peers as they tended to be Tory and therefore a threat to their authority.
The UK should have been federated long ago, even before Southern Irish independence. However the imperialist mindset that dominated then and dominates now prevented that. Hence the present problems.
Scottish independence will probably come about by default through some sort of crisis. States are created very quickly. 100 years ago a Catholic nationalist (i.e. pro-devolution) Dubliner would have found the idea of a British Embassy in Dublin absurd along with an independent Irish army. Then after some cack handed bungling by the Liberal government and some dodgy actions by the Tories the situation changed utterly and we have what we have today.
As for "Proud to be Scottish", I will ignore the jibes about my neck of the woods. However I would maybe suggest he is possibly the spawn of Ulster-Scots who after several generations of inbreeding in Ireland, returned back to the land of the land of their ancestors and settled in West of Scotland ghettos to inbreed some more---- Stick to the flute music and burbering about Scots are the real Protestants who are saving the English and the UK from Rome.
Proud to be Scottish - a Petainist, after the great patriotic Frenchman Marschial Petain who led the French puppet state at Vichy. I have no doubt that Petain was a patriotic Frenchman but justified his actions with the language of Uncle Tom honeyed with the words of patriotism.
I am sure once he is out of office our Mr Brown will make a Damascean conversion for more powers, along with his nitwit colleagues on the backbenches. They want to retain power now because they are in power but once the Tories oust them from government they will all become enthusiastic devolutionists. Some Scottish backbench MPs might even head north as they are statistically more likely to get a ministerial portfolio.
Will the union survive? I tend to see Scottish independence of some sort as highly likely but not inevitable in the decades to come. The British state seems incapable of reform. Reform only happens if there is party advantage for the government i.e. devolution was supposed to ringfence Labour power in Scotland and Wales against any future UK English-supported Tory governments. Ditto for the House of Lords, an unaccountable appointed house which governments for years have been selling life-time membership too. What Labour is alleged to have done there is nothing new. Labour just got rid of the heredrity peers as they tended to be Tory and therefore a threat to their authority.
The UK should have been federated long ago, even before Southern Irish independence. However the imperialist mindset that dominated then and dominates now prevented that. Hence the present problems.
Scottish independence will probably come about by default through some sort of crisis. States are created very quickly. 100 years ago a Catholic nationalist (i.e. pro-devolution) Dubliner would have found the idea of a British Embassy in Dublin absurd along with an independent Irish army. Then after some cack handed bungling by the Liberal government and some dodgy actions by the Tories the situation changed utterly and we have what we have today.
As for "Proud to be Scottish", I will ignore the jibes about my neck of the woods. However I would maybe suggest he is possibly the spawn of Ulster-Scots who after several generations of inbreeding in Ireland, returned back to the land of the land of their ancestors and settled in West of Scotland ghettos to inbreed some more---- Stick to the flute music and burbering about Scots are the real Protestants who
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