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all these Professor Sir this and that are not going to sway us or maybe they think we are all sheep cloned or otherwise

Maybe they will clone a few hundred thousand Labour voters before next Thursday. No Sirs you are wrong. The Sciences will flourish in an Independent Scotland. We are know worldwide for past discoveries.

Naw, I think they're right. Nothing can be more detrimental to the scientific method than inappropriate constitutional arrangements. Imagine the scene: you're cloning a whippet or whatever, then all of a sudden, chaos, because Scotland has decided to ditch nuclear weapons. Perhaps we should test this, and have the West of Scotland go independent first. The East of Scotland can then act as a control. That'd be fascinating. Wait, you lot are no more qualified to talk about this than Alex Salmond or Robin Harper are qualified to talk about particle physics. Just vote, dammit Union-obsessed scientists, vote for who you like.

The scientists appear to be saying they don't thnk there will be enough funding for them in an independent Scotland. They need to provide some rational evidence for this. On what basis are their assessments made?

Animals reject Independence by Douglas Fraser Brown Unveils 50 Zoo animals in favour of Union Gordon Brown has claimed a coup in securing the support of 50 farm animals. Support for the Union is particularly strong among sheep. 1 sheep said "We don't want independence as that will mean scary things. We just want to graze and don't care about getting fleeced now and then". A cow said "I'm getting milked now for everything I've got, under the SNP I'm told I'll be milked even more." and a pig said "With Labour you know they're snouts are in the trough. Better the devil you know...". But Brown scored a real coup as support for Union was stongest among chickens: "We don't want to face those nasty nationalist foxes, we're thrown seeds to peck and are fatter now than ever under the Union, our future is safe." Within the Union the animals are all happy. Join the boycott of anti-Scottish newspapers: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/anti-Scottish/

The universities in Scotland must be some of the most anglified institutions in Scotland, and I say this as someone whose work brings them into contact with academia. Of the Scientists named in this article: Ian Wilmut, born Hampton Lucy, England Hugh Pennington, born London, England Ken Murray, born Yorkshire, England David Lane, born London, England Well knock me down with a feather, these "Scots" don't want independence. I wonder how many of the other 58 are Scots born.

Tonights INSIDER REPORT Canvas returns continue to be poor and there is despair in the Lbour camp. All out effort has been demanded to save Glasgow. There are worries about an MP defecting to the SNP at the weekend ... you heard it here first.

More like, sign this letter eggheid or your funding's cut.

More like, sign this letter eggheid or your funding's cut.

Martin, This is cyclical like my boozing. Can you embelish? Is this a deep insider report or what? If yes how deep insider can you go big boy? Join the boycott of anti-Scottish newspapers: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/anti-Scottish/

I wonder how many of these esteemed individuals will receive Knighthoods after the elections if this foray into Politics has the desired effect.. One has only to look at Ian Rankin awarded a Queens Leiutenant after saying how happy he is with the status quo.

when is the herald going to give up on this p.sh. i have made it my duty to send e mails to all onionist journalists to send my comments...only takes a few second but will take alot of onionist time if they all the anti scots have to read it. especially the trash record

That's exciting Martin. The Sunday Herald claimed this a few months ago. The rumour I heard was that Katy Clark (ant-trident, ant-war)was a suspect. It wouldn't surprise me if a Labour mp was the centrpiece of the SNP 's 'Count Me In' campaign. If it's tue - and I expect to be disappointed - this MP will have shown incredible bravery. Imagine their treatment defecting days before a poll.

Gordon Brown said today : "Of the world's top 200 universities, Scotland has three - more than Ireland, Iceland and Norway combined." Norway only has four universities, Ireland has seven and Iceland has four tiny ones.. One only has 1,800 students. On the other hand Scotland has thirteen ... Why do we need thirteen? Seems like overkill to me.. Perhaps it would be more logical if there was one each in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen and Inverness plus St Andrews. Merge some of the common research departments picking the best research talent and cut the costs.

Hang on, If this was an internal thingymibob, how would Labour be tipped off about the defection? Not that I'm suspicious or nout - just lookin for little morsels of veracity.... Join the boycott of anti-Scottish newspapers: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/anti-Scottish/

My information comes from my brother who is deeply involved in the labour campaign. I cant be too specific as it may identify him. I have seen analysis on his laptops and loads of emails. There is real fear and panic in the Labour party. As to the defection, apparantly this guy is suspected of being ready to jump ship and now would seem to be a time they fear it may happen.

I mentioned this before. I was out and about in John Farqhuar Munro's home turf today and several people - who know JFM - mentioned that he was ill. A couple of very credible people said JFM was asked to stand by the Libs (to win the seat with his personal vote) but intends to give up after 6 months. If this is true then I think JFM is being treated pretty poorly by his party. It's also deceitful towards the electorate.

[quote][bold]Am Balach[/bold] wrote: That's exciting Martin. The Sunday Herald claimed this a few months ago. The rumour I heard was that Katy Clark (ant-trident, ant-war)was a suspect. It wouldn't surprise me if a Labour mp was the centrpiece of the SNP 's 'Count Me In' campaign. If it's tue - and I expect to be disappointed - this MP will have shown incredible bravery. Imagine their treatment defecting days before a poll.[/quote] Defections a couple of days before polling is an old Labour party trick .. any Glasgow SNP people remember Tom Brady in the 70's

[quote]As to the defection, apparantly this guy is suspected of being ready to jump ship and now would seem to be a time they fear it may happen[/quote] . Well it's not Katy Clark then. May apologies to you Katy if you are already in chains and a red jumpsuit being interrogated by John Reid.

Yesterday I was personally attacked on here by R Macleod in London. Am I the only person who notices that R Mac, never debates the story or any policy. But instead resorts to name calling if you do not agree with their thinking. This is a political debate not a school playground. But I want to thank David in Malaga. This is a reply to a message you posted explaining why you believe Independence is the best way forward. Although I will never agree with SNP policy, and heaven forbid you where to agree with Labour (Old or New). At least you are staying away from silly name calling. I was just angry at the manner of R Macleod who, instead of debating and putting forward his argument of why he believes Scotland will be better under SNP rule or ultimately Independence. He just attacks anyone who has a different view. To me this is not democratic. Isnt the whole point of a democracy. That everyone has the right to believe what they want. His views are more in line with a dictator who won't allow other opinions to be aired. So once again. Thank you. Hopefully if more undecided voters come onto these discussions then they will be convinced by the political arguments not the petty name calling. At the end of next week. I will be happier if everyone goes out and votes. No matter what party they vote for. But they will only be convinced by honest views being shown to them, not by personal attacks from people like R Macleod.

These people are right that there will be job losses, however I think it will only be 2. Prime Minister of the UK and First Minister of Scotland. Question is, which one will go first? Tough one that. It was looking earlier today like it was going to be Tony Blair, now maybe it will be Jack McConnell who goes first. However, since Jack maybe has to run it past his boss in London first, maybe they will just both go on the same day.

Have you SNP boys been taking some of yon fiscal fairy dust? Look at what you are up to tonight. Earlier you were accusing the Labour Party of sending fake bombs so they could blame the SNP. Then Señor Nae Amigos(well, if had any he wouldn’t be posting here all through the night) Porter sets up a petition against “anti-Scottish” papers in which he declares he’s not going to buy them until they provide “balanced journalism” That’s the Madrid sales of The Herald down the pan then. Then there’s DougtheDug with his racist bile, complaining about some of the top scientists in Scotland having the temerity to have been born elsewhere. Smart thinking there. What do you want to do? Kick them out? Just a wee hint in his post of the Hitler/Idi Amin attitude to those not of the pure blood. But best of the lot is the aptly named Dick. He’s so desperate to see Scotland achieve the same as the SNP’s beloved Ireland, Iceland & Norway he wants to shut down more than half our universities.

Jason if you want to play with the big boys you are going to get some stick, it comes with the arena, no point moaning.

Oh for goodness sake Jason he called you a moron. Perhaps you could look at the trade descriptions act and consider libel? You have, after all, excelled in that these last few days.

I think the major universities were founded before the Act of Union and I see no reason why these institutions should become research deserts if Independence were to occur.

http://www.ucas.ac.uk/new/index.html Scots universities are becoming more insignificant as each year goes by. 2000 Scotland was home to 8.82% of new UK domiciled undergraduates. 2006 Scotland was home to 7.76% of new UK domiciled undergraduates In 2006 0.52% of Scots became new undergraduates. In 2006 0.57% of English became new undergraduates

Press Release: http://www.politics.co.uk/press-releases/xopinion-formers/a/adam-smith-institute-scots-thousands-pounds-better-off-after-independence-$472260.htm Adam Smith Institute: Scots "thousands of pounds better off" after independence Saturday, 28 Apr 2007 10:24 The Scottish economy could enjoy record growth if Scotland became independent, leaving the average Scot many thousands of pounds better off each year. This is the finding of a research Briefing Paper published today by the Adam Smith Institute, the free market economic think tank. The paper, "Independent Scotland: The Road to Riches," is by international economist Gabriel Stein of Lombard Street Research. It examines the comparative performance of Scotland and England, finding that from 1992-2004, Scotland's gross value added grew at 4.7 percent, compared with a UK average of 5.4 percent, giving Scotland only 87 percent of the UK's growth. If an independent Scotland chose to follow the Republic of Ireland's low-tax route, as SNP leader Alex Salmond has indicated it would, Scotland's growth rate might be expected, over a five-year period, to move closer to Ireland's trend growth rate of 7 percent. Given a further five years of Scottish growth at that trend level, and before diminishing returns set in, Scotland's growth over the ten-year period would put its index 71.5 higher, more than a two-thirds increase in GDP. By contrast, says Stein, the rest of the UK would be expected to have grown rather less, by just over a quarter. The result would be dramatic for Scotland. Measured in household income per head, Scotland, which started £1,700 behind the rest of the UK, could be expected to be £6,000 ahead of it at the end of that period. The Adam Smith Institute says that the new research study shows just what can be achieved if countries choose to follow the low tax route to prosperity, a route which took the Republic of Ireland from the poorest country in the EU (per head) to the richest. Scotland, it says, could match that performance.

Thanks for that Promised Land - even more reason to decide on our own "education education education" needs. Bye bye

when is the herald going to give up on this p.sh. i have made it my duty to send e mails to all onionist journalists to send my comments...only takes a few second but will take alot of onionist time if they all the anti scots have to read it. especially the trash record

Do I take it that the scientists can prove their theory, or do they comply with the G Broon approach just keep saying it, or more likely they've had an offer they can't refuse

They are treating the voting public like they are stupid. All these so-called responsible scientists are just the types who will turn around and tell you:- the ten-fold increase in autism over a ten year period was due to genetics - when any person with a grasp of logic can tell you there ain't no such thing as a genetic increase of this order in a stable or falling population. Added to which, they are somewhat out of touch, not understanding epigenetics (where, for instance, toxins in the environment cause changes in genetic expression). See - http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/plus/sfg/resources/res_epigenetics.dtl - Science mag on epigenetics CSHL Scientists Confirm Genetic Distinction Between Heritable And Sporadic Cases Of Autism http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=65330&nfid=nl http://discovermagazine.com/2007/apr/autism-it2019s-not-just-in-the-head http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8123-2160195,00.html - Autism and pollution: the vital link Juliet Rix The number of children with autism has risen dramatically in recent years. In a new book, Richard Lathe argues that pollution and environmental causes may be to blame http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0317-05.htm - Mercury Pollution, Autism Link Found - U.S. Study http://www.newstarget.com/019470.html - Air pollution boosts autism risk by 50 percent in newborns Much of this applies equally to disorders and diseases that are on the rise, like Alzheimers, Parkinsons, Diabetes Type 1, and cancers. Scientists are bought - and those who are not do not receive the funding they need to continue in their careers. Why do you think that the same issues arise time after time? I don't want Scotland to be a centre of excellence in GM, I want Scotland to be centre of excellence in prevention and treatment of neurological disorders, such as autism and MS, for which Scotland has the highest rate of incidence in the world.

Gosh. It's been scientifically proven, independence is a bad thing. All Britain's ex-colonies must feel a tad sheepish. Or at least a bit dolly.

I am getting increasingly frustrated by these incredible attempts to frighten, bully, intimidate the Scottish people into meekly accepting another four years of Labour/Lib Dem misrule. Our media would give the old soviet Union a run for their money on this performance. If anyone of the supposedly undecided voters are reading this, then consider this. What other "democratic country" in the World would hold an election and virtually 100% of the media in that country would constantly run down the country, support a party that has been an unbelieveable, war mongering failure, that has failed in education, health, the environment and every other main responsibility, having spent millions of pounds, and through PFI has build up huindreds, if not thousands of millions of pounds of debt for future generations . Well wake up, it is happening in YOUR country right now and next Thursday is your chance to say once and for all NO MORE! It's time... [bold]It's way past Time[/bold] !

Can the mentioned Scientists tell me why Scotland presently suffers from the emmigration of its so called brightest and best! All reasonably minded policians regardless of their Party affialiations would agree that this is so! Assuming that they are not all cloned sheep that is! Or is the emmigration of the past and the present all the SNPs fault! The claims they make are obviously words they have plagiarised from Gordon Brown! Perhaps they even got Gordon to write the papers up for them - all over the internet ofcourse! There is more damage caused to any nations research pool by Animal Liberationists, Religious Fudamentalists, etc! I know of one Geologist who has taken his talents and ideas from USA to New Zealand for a combination of reasons! Perhaps these Scientists would have been better aiming thier attacks at organisations other than the SNP! But then Dolly was only capable of bleating!

Another well orchestrated (or is it "or castrated") unionist lobby. Ian Wilmut: "In 2006, while testifying at an Edinburgh court following accusations of racial harassment of his fellow Prim Singh, Ian Wilmut denied the accusations, but acknowledged that he was not the 'father' or "creator" of Dolly, that he performed none of the experiments, that he has minimised the role of some of his fellows...." Interesting. Someone should tell them we are electing an Executive and this is not the referendum. Still it is nice to know in advance who your opponents will be when the referendum comes round. Why do they think funding only comes from government, and do they actually believe that Scotland has received it's fair share in the past.

Shock Timsons Barn: "Then there&#8217;s DougtheDug with his racist bile, complaining about some of the top scientists in Scotland having the temerity to have been born elsewhere. Smart thinking there. What do you want to do? Kick them out? Just a wee hint in his post of the Hitler/Idi Amin attitude to those not of the pure blood." Ah, the old racist insult from a unionist. It's comforting in its familiarity. I take it there's no arguments left in the locker then? What's racist about pointing out that the named signatories to a letter against Scottish independence are not Scottish. Did that spoil your few warm moments of happiness that Prudence Broon had pulled a rabbit out of the hat and ensured that whatisname, Joke McDonnell/McConald/McDonald, had got a new term as head numpty in the Scottish Cooncil. "Kick them out", "Hitler", "Idi Amin", "Pure Blood", in two sentences. Marks for effort and the use of green ink. I'd sigh if I wasn't sniggering like Muttley.

. Hmmm, a lot of Sir's and learned folk in their [bold]field of expertise[/bold] no doubt. Perhaps the [bold]others[/bold] in that erm letter would care to put their names to their opinions. So is this their personal opinion? Is it also their opinion that New Labour is the the best invention since the creation of sliced bread? Is this their professional opinion based on the logic of their expertise? Or is it , as it could possibly be perceived, others in the commercial field of expertise using their influence in an attempt to stop the good ship Titanic rocking and capsizing in stormy waves. Funding or the lack off, can be used as a financial carrot or stick by those commercial organisations allied to "profits for us". In my humble experience "sponsorship" of research by private companies comes with strings attached, generally an accepted way of doing beezness, as a means to an end . Unless of course Global Corporate Inc has suddenly become more concerned about "state of health" of the human race than their acknoweledged concern for "first princible", profit. I see Brown jobbie just had to add his tuppence worth. No doubt prestige is a mighty fine thing, if you could eat it. Nice to have recognition in inventiveness, not so nice if the financial benefits of that inventiveness disappears down a corporate plughole somewhere else only to re-appear as packaged goods for sale for whatever the market price will stand and what our battered economy could ill afford to pay for. . Typical unionist diatribe from the increasingly fearful ones as well, scaremongering of fearfullness a speciality. Some folk really haven't a clue, beezness will want to do beezness if there's profit to be made, where ever and with who ever. Even tin pot dictators of wicked,evil regimes would agree to the truth of that, well those that can still breath that is. Aye, regime change, no matter how mild can be good for beezness as well. .

"we punch well above our weight in terms of funding from UK sources" Interesting turn of phrase from the scientists. Do they have to fight to get funding from British sources? Wouldn't it be better for Scottish science to have a supportive Scottish government in Edinburgh rather than a distant and disinterested Westminster one?

The Scottish 'Brain Drain' has been proven by some scientists to be the consequence of political instabiltiy. Nasty nats are worrying all scientists to the point that they can't think about science at all. Einstein lead the way calling nationalism "the measles of humanity" which seemed salient until people realised he supported Zionism and the creation of the Israeli state. But still, although science and religion have not found any way of uniting each other, one thing is clear, Scottish nationalism is not scientifically proven the way Daz automatic iz and 9 out of 10 cats sais they preffered canned food to pigeons. Cross-dressing herbivores need not fear bunson burners in this survey.

As 99% of these names are meaningless to the ordinary people of Scotland, who gives a ****? The Herald has surely reached the absolute bottom of the barrel in its increasingly hysterical attempts to discredit the movement for self government. As for the so-called "scientists" who signed up to this unfounded nonsense - shame on you for letting your personal prejudices overrule reality. Can any of you quote the bit in the SNP manifesto that says funding for scientific projects will be cut? This isn't science, it's the very opposite - it's irrational assertion. What a bunch of snivelling wretches.

Shock scientific discovery: independence gives you cancer. The Labour party yesterday welcomed the publication of new pro-union scientific results finding that voting for the SNP will, amongst other things, give you cancer, cause male pattern baldness, and precipitate a variety of scary biblical style plagues... Gordon Brown triumphantly extolled the virtues of the union, pointing out that every Scot in an independent Scotland would be lobotomised and have their internal organs harvested in order to meet onerous new tax burdens...

Dunedin, The original poster pointed out some four of these 62 signatories were not [bold]born[/bold] in Scotland and used that as a justification to criticise their views . You then say they are [bold]"not Scottish"[/bold] . If in order to be Scottish it is necessary to be born in Scotland then yes, that is a racist argument. Thank you for confirming that you do not regard the close to half a million residents of Scotland born elsewhere as Scottish. Though you do realise that included in those you consider to be "not Scottish" are several SNP candidates. Re-arrange these words into a familiar phrase or sentence [italic]hoist petard your by own[/italic]

This is utter drivel. It actually falls apart in much the same way as the "defence jobs" scares do, once you realise that science funding in Britain has a massive built in institutional bias towards the south east of england, just as defence spending does... in fact just as most things do while Scotland remains not yet independent...

More shocking scientific discovery in the land of inventors. Somnambulist Scots have been aroused from a deep slumber by the truth.

Get your quotes right, man from Madrid. "measles of mankind" is the correct version of Einstein's still-relevant quote. Oh and please stop posting while pished. Your spelling and grammar go right down the tubes when you've had a few. Still, it must be sad to be stuck there all on your own, thinking you are part of the 'brain drain. as you guzzle your cheap Spanish booze at close to 2.30 am, waiting to sink softly into oblivion before turning your shaky hand to the next day's vitriol. Go and sleep it off man.

That's 2.30 am continental time before any SNP hack accuses me of not knowing the time. The SNP are right about one thing though. It's time....for bed.

JTB - I thought the pathetic adolescent smears about racism had run their course and been utterly discredited. Are you resurrecting them in a desparate Goebels-like attempt to bestow veracity on a lie through repetition? I have noticed many of your labour colleagues attempting the same.

I know rejection is hard Jock but please accept it with dignity.

Union saves Scotland by Scotsman journalisti The union safeguards a metaphysical paradigm that permits scientists to function normally. Although the universe is far from being understood by modern science Scottish nationalism is, withrelation to existing systems of patronage, of no value to science. In an independent Scotland scientists will have to collect ginger bottles to buy thier dinner and will have to risk fleeing the border and seeking refuge in more sympathetic environments like N Korea and China. Thank goodness Gordon is saving us from non-scientifically proven politics and helping us shop at Tesco. Join the boycott of anti-Scottish newspapers: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/anti-Scottish/

Where have all the Labour drones gone? Too busy polishing up their CVs or has this LIAR bloke/blokess chased them off?

Oh Jock T's Bairns, Rather be half-cut than a pedant. Did I miss the point in my quotation or did you dodge it by attacking my current language skills? Imagine i got it right, have you anything to say about that? You remind me of Bush, fomer boozer turned evangelist. The world would be a better place if he was still a boozer... You ain't one of Jock Tamson's bairns ye're wan o' Thatcher's bairns kido; a lot o' price and nae value.. Join the boycott of anti-Scottish newspapers: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/anti-Scottish/

This is the p**h of journalistic sophistry. Wan scientific nerd speculates that independence may be a barrier to investment. What is the basis of their argument? We've never been independent, how the **** dae thae know that being independent is going to make an iota of difference. If they they had that amount of prescience they would have predicted 9/11. Why don't they just bugger off and stop playing stupiid games?

Just picked this link up on the Scotsman board about manipulation at Dundee Uni http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2007/04/dundee_universi.html

This is a siesmic moment in Scottish history, this is the time we grasp the Thistle or shut up and carry on as we are. This the time to end the Scottish whinge, good or bad. Put up or shut up! For Christ's sake go for it! LET THE WORLD KNOW WHO WE ARE, WHAT WE'VE CONTRIBUITED, WHAT WE CAN CONTRIBUTE! HAVE FAITH, HAVE COURAGE, HAVE SELF-BELIEF, HAVE A DESIRE TO BE YOURSELF!

These so-called Unionist Scientists state, [italic]"As senior members of the Scottish science community, we are very concerned to note that in the current debates about possible separation of Scotland from the Union no consideration appears to have been given to the effect on Scottish science. Currently, we punch well above our weight in terms of funding from UK sources (such as the research councils) and in our role within the UK science infrastructure. Separation would inevitably lead to disruption of these ties with detrimental consequences for the health of the Scottish science base and for the long-term viability of the Scottish economy and society. Therefore, we wish to endorse the Union."[/italic] Translation for those not yet controlled by the Labour Spin Machine. [bold]"As senior members of the Labour-funded science community, currently working in Scotland, we are very concerned to note that in the current debates about possible separation of Scotland from the Union Has given no guarantees that we will continue to be funded a levels appropriate to our importance to Scottish science. Currently, we are well looked after by our Labour friends, with considerable tax funds and honours,including money from both Scottish and UK sources (such as the research councils and quangos) and we expect this to contiue so we must defend our role within the UK science infrastructure. Separation would inevitably lead to disruption of these funds, and titles, with detrimental consequences for the wealth of the Scottish science base and for the long-term viability of the funding for the current science community. Therefore, in the absence of guaranteed funding and honours, and with many more years of funding promised by fellow Labour party members, we are required to endorse the Union and its continuing generosity.[/bold]

New party , with sinister agenda, enters election fray!!! Name - [bold]SNLA[/bold] Address - [bold]London, Middlesex MI6[/bold] Please let your friends and neighbours about this sinister group.

It's time -- Adam Busby has been off the front page of the Record for too long! My money is on Tuesday.

[quote][bold]Tom McAlister[/bold] wrote: . Hmmm, a lot of Sir's and learned folk in their [bold]field of expertise[/bold] no doubt. Perhaps the [bold]others[/bold] in that erm letter would care to put their names to their opinions. So is this their personal opinion? Is it also their opinion that New Labour is the the best invention since the creation of sliced bread? Is this their professional opinion based on the logic of their expertise? Or is it , as it could possibly be perceived, others in the commercial field of expertise using their influence in an attempt to stop the good ship Titanic rocking and capsizing in stormy waves. Funding or the lack off, can be used as a financial carrot or stick by those commercial organisations allied to "profits for us". In my humble experience "sponsorship" of research by private companies comes with strings attached, generally an accepted way of doing beezness, as a means to an end . Unless of course Global Corporate Inc has suddenly become more concerned about "state of health" of the human race than their acknoweledged concern for "first princible", profit. I see Brown jobbie just had to add his tuppence worth. No doubt prestige is a mighty fine thing, if you could eat it. Nice to have recognition in inventiveness, not so nice if the financial benefits of that inventiveness disappears down a corporate plughole somewhere else only to re-appear as packaged goods for sale for whatever the market price will stand and what our battered economy could ill afford to pay for. . Typical unionist diatribe from the increasingly fearful ones as well, scaremongering of fearfullness a speciality. Some folk really haven't a clue, beezness will want to do beezness if there's profit to be made, where ever and with who ever. Even tin pot dictators of wicked,evil regimes would agree to the truth of that, well those that can still breath that is. Aye, regime change, no matter how mild can be good for beezness as well. .[/quote] Posted by: Tom McAlister on 1:01am today . Hmmm, a lot of Sir's and learned folk in their [bold]field of expertise[/bold] no doubt. Perhaps the [bold]others[/bold] in that erm letter would care to put their names to their opinions. So is this their personal opinion?" This is the crux. Without any intention to mislead, scientists are just as prone as the rest of us not to realise the boundaries of what they actually know from their srudies and the stories thay heard when young or from the BBC which is also funded by government. A prime example is H G Wells who wrote [italic]italic[/italic] An Outline of History[italic]italic[/italic] . After 1919, though he was well aware of Keynes' warning of another war in [quote]quote[/quote] The Economic Consequences of The Peace[quote]quote[/quote] declared that the League of Nations had made another war impossible! That was even after France had invaded the Ruhr in 1923, so breaking the rules she and Lloyd George had prescribed for everyone else.

Scientists have 1 vote each, same as me. They can vote as their conscience dictates, same as me. I object to self-appointed no-bodies, whoever they are, telling me how I should cast my vote. I'm unhappy with the constitutional arrangements for the governance of Scotland and I want them changed. All other considerations are secondary.

I have written before. Vituperative language makes for poor debate and there is far too much of it in this 'discussion'. Keep to the facts not speculation on the bloggers supposed character or policies. Or are you merely having fun rather than taking it all seriously? Did the Herald invent the report or did they merely report the report? Probably spin was applied but then what else do you expect from the media. Learn to see beyond the spin please. I want that any changes to the country are properly debated and as factual as it possible to be. I get no pleasure in the rants and raves. So ladies and gentlemen and others keep to the facts and avoid personal attacks. The attacks are diverting and a form of spin. I do not read them so if you had a point it was lost. And please get to the polls and drag your pals, families and yes your enemies as well. It is important. Euan Dunsmore