
More to nuclear than how best to brew a cuppa
Your correspondent David McEwan Hill seems to want to reduce the debate on nuclear power generation down to how best to brew a cuppa (January 14). There is a great deal more to it than that. Throughout the world, for example, there is vast export potential for nuclear desalination plants in a world growing short of fresh water owing to climate change. An appropriate metaphor might be to argue that there are an awful lot of potential Scottish jobs down the drain there.
Neither is the world running out of fuel for reactors. There are vast untapped thorium reserves throughout the world and particularly in India, which is already building thorium-burning nuclear plants.
On the vexed question of radioactive waste, 96% of the spent fuel can be turned into new fuel. The 4% of the waste that remains is also reusable. This includes cesium-137 and strontium-90 that could be separated out for use in medical applications such as sterilisation of medical supplies.
Using isotope-separation techniques and fast-neutron bombardment for transmutation, we could separate out isotopes for use in medical testing and treatment.
Scotland imports around 90% of its medical isotopes, used in around 3000 medical procedures daily. These nuclear isotopes could be "mined" from the so-called waste. This debate has a long way to run yet.
Alan Clayton, Westfield, Letters Way, Strathlachlan, Argyll.
In the first line of his long letter, David McEwan Hill says nuclear is "an unnatural, highly dangerous and highly expensive way of boiling vast amounts of water". It is somewhat unnatural. Nuclear reactors are only known to have occurred once in nature (in Gabon during flooding several thousand years ago).
Of course windmills do not occur in nature and are thus even more "unnatural". It is, however, a lie to say that nuclear is dangerous - it is, in fact, orders-of-magnitude safer than coal since coal kills 150,000 people a year and total nuclear deaths in the past 20 years were two in one accident in Japan - or to say that it is expensive, since there can be no denial that France has been producing nuclear electricity at half the price of coal and one-quarter that of wind.
Indeed, in pointing out that
China and India are expanding
their nuclear programmes, Mr
Hill would clearly have to explain why they would do so if it were more expensive. Are these governments involved in some secret conspiracy to run their countries incompetently?
Mr Hill must be assumed to be unaware that the purpose of electricity generators (nuclear, coal or gas) is not to boil water - that is a side-effect - but to create electricity.
Neil Craig, 200 Woodlands Road, Glasgow.
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Posted by: Stuart Allan, Dundee on 12:43am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Neil Craig[/bold] wrote;
[italic]It is, however, a lie to say that nuclear is dangerous[/italic][/quote]
An unbelievably naive statement. Apparently the inhabitants of Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Chernobyl were just mildly discomfited by the nuclear explosions they endured. Every nuclear power station is a potential disaster in the making. Nothing may have gone wrong in 20 years, but it only has to go wrong once for thousands to suffer.
Neil Craig wrote;
It is, however, a lie to say that nuclear is dangerous
An unbelievably naive statement. Apparently the inhabitants of Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Chernobyl were just mildly discomfited by the nuclear explosions they endured. Every nuclear power station is a potential disaster in the making. Nothing may have gone wrong in 20 years, but it only has to go wrong once for thousands to suffer.
Posted by: Scamp on 12:55am Tue 15 Jan 08
There's only problem with the argument that nuclear is dangerous and that is that the N Sea oil/gas industry has killed far more people than nuclear stations have. Piper Alpha on its own killed 167.
I'm not pro nuclear but claiming it is dangerous is not the best of arguments.
There's only problem with the argument that nuclear is dangerous and that is that the N Sea oil/gas industry has killed far more people than nuclear stations have. Piper Alpha on its own killed 167.
I'm not pro nuclear but claiming it is dangerous is not the best of arguments.
Posted by: Cynicus on 1:03am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote]total nuclear deaths in the past 20 years were two in one accident in Japan[/quote] -Neil Craig
20 Years? How convenient, putting Cherbobyl 1986 just out of range.
total nuclear deaths in the past 20 years were two in one accident in Japan
-Neil Craig
20 Years? How convenient, putting Cherbobyl 1986 just out of range.
Posted by: T. Watson, Inverness on 5:44am Tue 15 Jan 08
What the correspondents are confusing are the energy needs of big industry and huge urban centres, - and those of a largely rural, small population countries like Scotland.
From a purely power-need perspective, it is difficult to see how large industrialised states can manage withour nuclear power (despite all its costs and dangers).
But for Scotland on its own, there is a strong case for a truly balanced mix of other energy sources which together could be less expensive, much safer, and more environmentally acceptable. (Each energy source has its own environmental drawbacks, - none are totally free of some side-costs).
What the correspondents are confusing are the energy needs of big industry and huge urban centres, - and those of a largely rural, small population countries like Scotland.
From a purely power-need perspective, it is difficult to see how large industrialised states can manage withour nuclear power (despite all its costs and dangers).
But for Scotland on its own, there is a strong case for a truly balanced mix of other energy sources which together could be less expensive, much safer, and more environmentally acceptable. (Each energy source has its own environmental drawbacks, - none are totally free of some side-costs).
Posted by: Boabby, Vancouver Island on 7:15am Tue 15 Jan 08
Cynicus--"putting Chernobyl 1986 just out of range"---- hard to put any weight behind this argument, considering the restrictions STILL existing in Scotland on the movement of livestock due to contamination from the disaster at that "safe" establishment. How many thousands of miles away?
Cynicus--"putting Chernobyl 1986 just out of range"---- hard to put any weight behind this argument, considering the restrictions STILL existing in Scotland on the movement of livestock due to contamination from the disaster at that "safe" establishment. How many thousands of miles away?
Posted by: GML, right here on 9:45am Tue 15 Jan 08
The safety argument is largely irrelevant to Scotland, where the exiting nuclear plants have been generally well and safely run. Dounreay was a bit dodgy, but was really a research site, located as far away from London as possible. There are risks with the long term containment of waste, but these come down to cost as much as anything else.
Scotland doesn't need new nuclear power stations, not because they are unsafe, but because we don't need them. We have better alternatives with lower capital cost, less commercial risk, and better environmental preformance. We also have a very large generating capacity surplus. When the two current nuclear plants go down for maintenance, everyone notices......er, not.
The issue is only on the agenda in Scotland because London and the SE of England need new power plants, and nuclear is their only realistic option without greatly increasing CO2 emissions. The nuclear industry are lobbying heavily as big money is going to be spent. EDF proposes to build 4 new nuclear stations in SE England. Gordon Brown's brother Andrew works for EDF. That's why we are hearing about this.
None of our three nearest comparable neighbours - Ireland, Denmark and Norway - are considering nuclear power, because they don't need it either. In Scottish terms, this is a bogus issue.
The safety argument is largely irrelevant to Scotland, where the exiting nuclear plants have been generally well and safely run. Dounreay was a bit dodgy, but was really a research site, located as far away from London as possible. There are risks with the long term containment of waste, but these come down to cost as much as anything else.
Scotland doesn't need new nuclear power stations, not because they are unsafe, but because we don't need them. We have better alternatives with lower capital cost, less commercial risk, and better environmental preformance. We also have a very large generating capacity surplus. When the two current nuclear plants go down for maintenance, everyone notices......er, not.
The issue is only on the agenda in Scotland because London and the SE of England need new power plants, and nuclear is their only realistic option without greatly increasing CO2 emissions. The nuclear industry are lobbying heavily as big money is going to be spent. EDF proposes to build 4 new nuclear stations in SE England. Gordon Brown's brother Andrew works for EDF. That's why we are hearing about this.
None of our three nearest comparable neighbours - Ireland, Denmark and Norway - are considering nuclear power, because they don't need it either. In Scottish terms, this is a bogus issue.
Posted by: An t-Amadan, Alba on 9:46am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Cynicus[/bold] wrote:
[quote]total nuclear deaths in the past 20 years were two in one accident in Japan[/quote] -Neil Craig
20 Years? How convenient, putting Cherbobyl 1986 just out of range.[/quote] And Three Mile Island, potentially the most dangerous of the lot, and caused by the penny pinching of an unregulated private Nuclear Power industry, as advocated by New Labour, was just a few years before that.
Piper Alpha was a terrible catastrophe, but pales into insignificance when it is every man, woman and child on earth whose life is being endangered by the devil's technology.
Cynicus wrote:
total nuclear deaths in the past 20 years were two in one accident in Japan
-Neil Craig
20 Years? How convenient, putting Cherbobyl 1986 just out of range.
And Three Mile Island, potentially the most dangerous of the lot, and caused by the penny pinching of an unregulated private Nuclear Power industry, as advocated by New Labour, was just a few years before that.
Piper Alpha was a terrible catastrophe, but pales into insignificance when it is every man, woman and child on earth whose life is being endangered by the devil's technology.
Posted by: Fred Bear on 10:42am Tue 15 Jan 08
Cynicus
Yes, it was stupid of Neil Craig to choose a timeline excluding Chernobyl. Lets add it in then, 50 deaths certtified by UN/WHO to date.
Let's also add in TMI which another poster states was the most potentially dangerous of the lot; how many deaths? Zero. This was an accident which completely bamboozled the operators who, with the regulator, were concerned for several days about a fuel meltdown which had happened, as it turned out, in the first hours of the event with insignificant off site consequences. The system was shown to be intrinsically safe due to negative reactivity coefficients.
So, compare again with Piper Alpha, 167 dead, coal mining 150,00 dead per year, and various hydro dam failures (Gujurati dam, 15,000 dead).
The poster introducing Hiroshima and Nagasaki is simply being silly; these devices were designed to explode with great loss of life, reactors are designed not to, and, due to the low level of uranium enrichment are prevented from doing so by the laws of physics.
Cynicus
Yes, it was stupid of Neil Craig to choose a timeline excluding Chernobyl. Lets add it in then, 50 deaths certtified by UN/WHO to date.
Let's also add in TMI which another poster states was the most potentially dangerous of the lot; how many deaths? Zero. This was an accident which completely bamboozled the operators who, with the regulator, were concerned for several days about a fuel meltdown which had happened, as it turned out, in the first hours of the event with insignificant off site consequences. The system was shown to be intrinsically safe due to negative reactivity coefficients.
So, compare again with Piper Alpha, 167 dead, coal mining 150,00 dead per year, and various hydro dam failures (Gujurati dam, 15,000 dead).
The poster introducing Hiroshima and Nagasaki is simply being silly; these devices were designed to explode with great loss of life, reactors are designed not to, and, due to the low level of uranium enrichment are prevented from doing so by the laws of physics.
Posted by: IJ on 10:53am Tue 15 Jan 08
[bold]Nuclear is in lots of trouble.[/bold]
[italic]Low reserves of uranium.[/italic] The increasing interest in nuclear power (even among oil and gas producing states) means reserves of uranium are estimated to be less that 20 years supply. India was mentioned: India closed down five of the 17 nuclear power plants in the country and reduced the rest to an average of less than 50 per cent capacity for want of fuel.
[italic]Dangerous reprocessing to obtain fuel[/italic]. Proliferation of weapons grade plutonium is the main danger, so some countries - including the US, Russia and Germany - want international/worldw
ide control of the reprocessing. The world's next big industry?
Nuclear is in lots of trouble.
Low reserves of uranium. The increasing interest in nuclear power (even among oil and gas producing states) means reserves of uranium are estimated to be less that 20 years supply. India was mentioned: India closed down five of the 17 nuclear power plants in the country and reduced the rest to an average of less than 50 per cent capacity for want of fuel.
Dangerous reprocessing to obtain fuel. Proliferation of weapons grade plutonium is the main danger, so some countries - including the US, Russia and Germany - want international/worldw
ide control of the reprocessing. The world's next big industry?
Posted by: Neil 9% Growth, glasgow on 12:43pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Yet again we see the Luddites coming out with tales which they clearly know to be untrue. In order:
Stuart says Hiroshima & Chernobyl prove it is dangerous. Hiroshima was a war - if he is saying this proves nuclear dangerous he must, if honest have said that it proves flying to Benidorm is dangerous because the Bomb was delivered by aircraft. Chernobyl [bold]was[/bold] the worst possible accident, in fact far worse than could happen here because there was no containment building. By the standards of 150,000 dead annually, with which he has no problem, the 50 dead at Chernobyl is comparative safety.
T Watson yet again claims renewables can supply all our power but declines to say how. Since windmills, despite £1 billion a year subsidy, provide only 3% of our power that is clearly untrue. GML makes the same argument for carefully unspecified alternatives. Carefully unspecified because this argument is nonsense & thus cannot survive serious examination.
AnT mentions 3 mile island, the only "disaster" in the history of the human race in which nobody was killed or even injured.
U brings up reserves claming we are going to run out in 20 years. In fact uranium is relatively common & thorium 4 times moreso so it will certainly be possible to keep the whole world going for at least 5 billion years. There have been many predictions of when it will run out, in some future date but no 2 seem to agree. This one of 20 years is therefore not better than 0.0000004% accurate.
This is the best the "environmentalists" can come up with & yet again it shows the complete contempt for facts which the entire eco-fascist case depends on.
Yet again we see the Luddites coming out with tales which they clearly know to be untrue. In order:
Stuart says Hiroshima & Chernobyl prove it is dangerous. Hiroshima was a war - if he is saying this proves nuclear dangerous he must, if honest have said that it proves flying to Benidorm is dangerous because the Bomb was delivered by aircraft. Chernobyl
was the worst possible accident, in fact far worse than could happen here because there was no containment building. By the standards of 150,000 dead annually, with which he has no problem, the 50 dead at Chernobyl is comparative safety.
T Watson yet again claims renewables can supply all our power but declines to say how. Since windmills, despite £1 billion a year subsidy, provide only 3% of our power that is clearly untrue. GML makes the same argument for carefully unspecified alternatives. Carefully unspecified because this argument is nonsense & thus cannot survive serious examination.
AnT mentions 3 mile island, the only "disaster" in the history of the human race in which nobody was killed or even injured.
U brings up reserves claming we are going to run out in 20 years. In fact uranium is relatively common & thorium 4 times moreso so it will certainly be possible to keep the whole world going for at least 5 billion years. There have been many predictions of when it will run out, in some future date but no 2 seem to agree. This one of 20 years is therefore not better than 0.0000004% accurate.
This is the best the "environmentalists" can come up with & yet again it shows the complete contempt for facts which the entire eco-fascist case depends on.
Posted by: Fred Bear on 12:43pm Tue 15 Jan 08
IJ
As mentioned by Alan Clayton, India is steering it's nuclear effort towards the thorium cycle. They are doing this because they have no indigenous reserves of uranium and wish to do the whole thing themselves. Being a late entry to nuclear power, they have not established the supply chain from Australia, Canada etc that other nuclear nations have. Please supply a reference for the assertion that reserves of uranium are down to less than 20 years
The plutonium coming out of nuclear reactors, when separated out chemically, would be most unlikely to be suitable for bombs due to the presence of non fissile isotopes. Should a 'rogue' state wish to build a nuclear bomb it would be easier and more secretive to do it by enriching uranium.
Alternatively, they could purchase some medical equipment containing, for example, caesium or strontium, and use it in a dirty bomb, which would be very effective in disrupting western society at a fraction of the cost and aggro of a fission weapon
IJ
As mentioned by Alan Clayton, India is steering it's nuclear effort towards the thorium cycle. They are doing this because they have no indigenous reserves of uranium and wish to do the whole thing themselves. Being a late entry to nuclear power, they have not established the supply chain from Australia, Canada etc that other nuclear nations have. Please supply a reference for the assertion that reserves of uranium are down to less than 20 years
The plutonium coming out of nuclear reactors, when separated out chemically, would be most unlikely to be suitable for bombs due to the presence of non fissile isotopes. Should a 'rogue' state wish to build a nuclear bomb it would be easier and more secretive to do it by enriching uranium.
Alternatively, they could purchase some medical equipment containing, for example, caesium or strontium, and use it in a dirty bomb, which would be very effective in disrupting western society at a fraction of the cost and aggro of a fission weapon
Posted by: IJ on 1:27pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Fred Bear,
You mentioned plutonium and nuclear missiles.
Yes, the low reserves of raw uranium aren't the only source of nuclear power. One out of every 10 light bulbs in the US is powered by nuclear material that used to be in a warhead aimed at that country. But this military source is running out. Incidentally, it is said the world has 44,000 nuclear warheads and 438 nuclear reactors.
Fred Bear,
You mentioned plutonium and nuclear missiles.
Yes, the low reserves of raw uranium aren't the only source of nuclear power. One out of every 10 light bulbs in the US is powered by nuclear material that used to be in a warhead aimed at that country. But this military source is running out. Incidentally, it is said the world has 44,000 nuclear warheads and 438 nuclear reactors.
Posted by: Fred Bear on 1:52pm Tue 15 Jan 08
IJ
I don;'t quite get the point you are making. I said that 'reactor grade' plutonium was unsuitable for a weapon. You say that weapons grade plutonium can be used in a reactor. Both statements are true.
It is a good thing that 44,000 warheads can be put to peaceful use.
I'd still like a reference for your assertion re uranium reserves
IJ
I don;'t quite get the point you are making. I said that 'reactor grade' plutonium was unsuitable for a weapon. You say that weapons grade plutonium can be used in a reactor. Both statements are true.
It is a good thing that 44,000 warheads can be put to peaceful use.
I'd still like a reference for your assertion re uranium reserves
Posted by: T. Watson, Inverness on 2:21pm Tue 15 Jan 08
In response to Neil 9% growth, I did not use the word renewables.
My own view for Scotland's needs is that a mix of a number of sources would suffice. I believe that tidal power is the biggest untapped source. But insulation, conservation and low energy systems must play a part.
I say that having some years experience in practical application of low energy cost systems in different countries, and having debated them in international conferences.
My doubts about nuclear for a small country stem from its enormous cost (when you add research and decommissioning) and from the problem of its waste disposal.
In response to Neil 9% growth, I did not use the word renewables.
My own view for Scotland's needs is that a mix of a number of sources would suffice. I believe that tidal power is the biggest untapped source. But insulation, conservation and low energy systems must play a part.
I say that having some years experience in practical application of low energy cost systems in different countries, and having debated them in international conferences.
My doubts about nuclear for a small country stem from its enormous cost (when you add research and decommissioning) and from the problem of its waste disposal.
Posted by: IJ on 2:24pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Fred Bear,
You insist on a reference:
[bold]Nuclear is in lots of trouble.[/bold] (10:53am)
Fred Bear,
You insist on a reference:
Nuclear is in lots of trouble. (10:53am)
Posted by: Fred Bear on 3:00pm Tue 15 Jan 08
IJ
Thanks for confirming my suspicions. You made it up.
IJ
Thanks for confirming my suspicions. You made it up.
Posted by: IJ on 3:30pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Fred Bear?
Posted by: the guvnor, outside the prison on 3:40pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]IJ[/bold] wrote:
Fred Bear?
[/quote] I think Fred Bear means: you cannot give your own post as a reference.
What is your [bold]independent[/bold] source for your assertions re uranium reserves?
IJ wrote:
Fred Bear?
I think Fred Bear means: you cannot give your own post as a reference.
What is your
independent source for your assertions re uranium reserves?
Posted by: Neil 9% Growth, glasgow on 3:50pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote]In response to Neil 9% growth, I did not use the word renewables.
......... believe that tidal power is the biggest untapped source. But insulation, conservation and low energy systems ...[/quote] So you didn't use the word but that is what you were talking about. More importantly, despite my specifc point, you have made no attempt to numerically justify your claim that such renewables will suffice.
They can't & you apparently know this or you would try. Par for the course for the Luddites to make promises about their own brand of snake oil that they can't keep.
In response to Neil 9% growth, I did not use the word renewables.
......... believe that tidal power is the biggest untapped source. But insulation, conservation and low energy systems ...
So you didn't use the word but that is what you were talking about. More importantly, despite my specifc point, you have made no attempt to numerically justify your claim that such renewables will suffice.
They can't & you apparently know this or you would try. Par for the course for the Luddites to make promises about their own brand of snake oil that they can't keep.
Posted by: IJ on 3:52pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Perhaps the US, Russia and Germany will supply their independent sources.
[bold]Nuclear is in lots of trouble[/bold] . (10:53am)
Perhaps the US, Russia and Germany will supply their independent sources.
Nuclear is in lots of trouble . (10:53am)
Posted by: Economic Migrant, Darkest Oxfordshire on 5:24pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote]Scotland imports around 90% of its medical isotopes, used in around 3000 medical procedures daily. These nuclear isotopes could be "mined" from the so-called waste..[/quote]
Most of the medical isotopes have short half lives and are made in research reactors specifically designed for irradiating samples, using the waste from power reactors for this purpose very inefficient. As the used fuel rods normally sit in a cooling pond for years waiting for their activity to drop a special reprocessing plant would have to be constructed to handle it at huge cost.
Scotland imports around 90% of its medical isotopes, used in around 3000 medical procedures daily. These nuclear isotopes could be "mined" from the so-called waste..
Most of the medical isotopes have short half lives and are made in research reactors specifically designed for irradiating samples, using the waste from power reactors for this purpose very inefficient. As the used fuel rods normally sit in a cooling pond for years waiting for their activity to drop a special reprocessing plant would have to be constructed to handle it at huge cost.
Posted by: andrew mackay on 6:35pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote]Mr Hill must be assumed to be unaware that the purpose of electricity generators (nuclear, coal or gas) is not to boil water - that is a side-effect - but to create electricity.
[/quote]
The main purpose of (thermal) electricity generators is to raise steam by either splitting the atom or by burning fossil fuels. Hardly a "side-effect" d'oh!
A by-product from the thermal process may be desalinated water or is that what you mean by a "side-effect"
Get yourself some gorms - clearly you have none!
Mr Hill must be assumed to be unaware that the purpose of electricity generators (nuclear, coal or gas) is not to boil water - that is a side-effect - but to create electricity.
The main purpose of (thermal) electricity generators is to raise steam by either splitting the atom or by burning fossil fuels. Hardly a "side-effect" d'oh!
A by-product from the thermal process may be desalinated water or is that what you mean by a "side-effect"
Get yourself some gorms - clearly you have none!
Posted by: andrew mackay on 6:48pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]T. Watson[/bold] wrote:
In response to Neil 9% growth, I did not use the word renewables. My own view for Scotland's needs is that a mix of a number of sources would suffice. I believe that tidal power is the biggest untapped source. But insulation, conservation and low energy systems must play a part. I say that having some years experience in practical application of low energy cost systems in different countries, and having debated them in international conferences. My doubts about nuclear for a small country stem from its enormous cost (when you add research and decommissioning) and from the problem of its waste disposal. [/quote] Tidal power is quite useful when the moon is new or full. This period is called Springs. Spring tides running through the Pentland Firth are awe-inspiring but during the nadir of Neaps (1st and 3rd quarter) the available power drops to 1/8 of the Spring tide's awesome power.
That is the real reason why this is an 'untapped resource' until recently. A Scottish invention stores and carries forward the 'excesses of Springs' into the Neaps period so that the electrical output is continuous and constant thoughout each and every lunar month.
Sadly, for Scotland, this invention will be developed abroad.
T. Watson wrote:
In response to Neil 9% growth, I did not use the word renewables. My own view for Scotland's needs is that a mix of a number of sources would suffice. I believe that tidal power is the biggest untapped source. But insulation, conservation and low energy systems must play a part. I say that having some years experience in practical application of low energy cost systems in different countries, and having debated them in international conferences. My doubts about nuclear for a small country stem from its enormous cost (when you add research and decommissioning) and from the problem of its waste disposal.
Tidal power is quite useful when the moon is new or full. This period is called Springs. Spring tides running through the Pentland Firth are awe-inspiring but during the nadir of Neaps (1st and 3rd quarter) the available power drops to 1/8 of the Spring tide's awesome power.
That is the real reason why this is an 'untapped resource' until recently. A Scottish invention stores and carries forward the 'excesses of Springs' into the Neaps period so that the electrical output is continuous and constant thoughout each and every lunar month.
Sadly, for Scotland, this invention will be developed abroad.
Posted by: Stuart Allan, Dundee on 7:34pm Tue 15 Jan 08
I am surprised Neil Craig's ([bold]Neil 9% Growth[/bold]?) was published. Not because it is clumsy and poorly written, but because he actually called a previous correspondent a [bold]liar[/bold]. That surely breaks some code of conduct.
[bold]Fred Bear[/bold]
Don't expect a direct answer from [bold]IJ[/bold]. His comments are always bald statements and cryptic in nature. It can be intensely irritating but every now and again you get a wee bon mot like the fuel crisis in the Indian nuclear industry.
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[[quote]bold]Latha Jishnu[/bold] wrote;
[italic]But nuclear is almost reaching a dead end, owing to concerns about fuel and costs. A critical shortage of domestic uranium is taking the fission out of the nuclear power programme, forcing the Nuclear Power Corporation of India (NPCIL) to shut down plants and putting its expansion plans on hold. Kudankulam, even if it is taking overly long, is a saving grace for NPCIL. The reason is simple. The two light water reactors coming up in partnership with the Russian Federation will run on enriched uranium supplied by the Russians for the lifetime of the project. NPCIL runs its stable of indigenously developed pressurised heavy water reactors (PHWRs) on natural uranium, and a shortage of yellow cake, as the processed uranium is called, has severely curtailed operations. Plant usage has dipped to around 57 per cent from a high of 82 per cent six years ago, and is likely to be reflected in its balance sheet this year.[/italic][/quote]
Also, thorium is currently only in the research stage. It could be a decade or more before it is even inthe development stage.
I am surprised Neil Craig's (Neil 9% Growth?) was published. Not because it is clumsy and poorly written, but because he actually called a previous correspondent a liar. That surely breaks some code of conduct.
Fred Bear
Don't expect a direct answer from IJ. His comments are always bald statements and cryptic in nature. It can be intensely irritating but every now and again you get a wee bon mot like the fuel crisis in the Indian nuclear industry.
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Latha Jishnu wrote;
But nuclear is almost reaching a dead end, owing to concerns about fuel and costs. A critical shortage of domestic uranium is taking the fission out of the nuclear power programme, forcing the Nuclear Power Corporation of India (NPCIL) to shut down plants and putting its expansion plans on hold. Kudankulam, even if it is taking overly long, is a saving grace for NPCIL. The reason is simple. The two light water reactors coming up in partnership with the Russian Federation will run on enriched uranium supplied by the Russians for the lifetime of the project. NPCIL runs its stable of indigenously developed pressurised heavy water reactors (PHWRs) on natural uranium, and a shortage of yellow cake, as the processed uranium is called, has severely curtailed operations. Plant usage has dipped to around 57 per cent from a high of 82 per cent six years ago, and is likely to be reflected in its balance sheet this year.
Also, thorium is currently only in the research stage. It could be a decade or more before it is even inthe development stage.
Posted by: Stuart Allan, Dundee on 12:32am Wed 16 Jan 08
I'll attempt to tidy up that last post :)
I am surprised Neil Craig's ([bold]Neil 9% Growth[/bold]?) was published. Not because it is clumsy and poorly written, but because he actually called a previous correspondent a liar. That surely breaks some code of conduct.
[bold]Fred Bear[/bold]
Don't expect a direct answer from [bold]IJ[/bold]. His comments are always bald statements and cryptic in nature. It can be intensely irritating but every now and again you get a wee bon mot like the fuel crisis in the Indian nuclear industry.
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[quote][bold]Latha Jishnu[/bold] wrote;
[italic]But nuclear is almost reaching a dead end, owing to concerns about fuel and costs. A critical shortage of domestic uranium is taking the fission out of the nuclear power programme, forcing the Nuclear Power Corporation of India (NPCIL) to shut down plants and putting its expansion plans on hold. Kudankulam, even if it is taking overly long, is a saving grace for NPCIL. The reason is simple. The two light water reactors coming up in partnership with the Russian Federation will run on enriched uranium supplied by the Russians for the lifetime of the project. NPCIL runs its stable of indigenously developed pressurised heavy water reactors (PHWRs) on natural uranium, and a shortage of yellow cake, as the processed uranium is called, has severely curtailed operations. Plant usage has dipped to around 57 per cent from a high of 82 per cent six years ago, and is likely to be reflected in its balance sheet this year.[/italic][/quote]
Also, thorium is currently only in the research stage. It could be a decade or more before it is even in the development stage.
I'll attempt to tidy up that last post :)
I am surprised Neil Craig's (
Neil 9% Growth?) was published. Not because it is clumsy and poorly written, but because he actually called a previous correspondent a liar. That surely breaks some code of conduct.
Fred Bear
Don't expect a direct answer from
IJ. His comments are always bald statements and cryptic in nature. It can be intensely irritating but every now and again you get a wee bon mot like the fuel crisis in the Indian nuclear industry.
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Latha Jishnu wrote;
But nuclear is almost reaching a dead end, owing to concerns about fuel and costs. A critical shortage of domestic uranium is taking the fission out of the nuclear power programme, forcing the Nuclear Power Corporation of India (NPCIL) to shut down plants and putting its expansion plans on hold. Kudankulam, even if it is taking overly long, is a saving grace for NPCIL. The reason is simple. The two light water reactors coming up in partnership with the Russian Federation will run on enriched uranium supplied by the Russians for the lifetime of the project. NPCIL runs its stable of indigenously developed pressurised heavy water reactors (PHWRs) on natural uranium, and a shortage of yellow cake, as the processed uranium is called, has severely curtailed operations. Plant usage has dipped to around 57 per cent from a high of 82 per cent six years ago, and is likely to be reflected in its balance sheet this year.
Also, thorium is currently only in the research stage. It could be a decade or more before it is even in the development stage.
Posted by: IJ on 8:09am Wed 16 Jan 08
India is only one example of big troubles with nuclear. The French experience is worth looking at also.
A letter in today's press tells us that, in their first four years of operation, the first four most recently completed nuclear plants in France averaged an availability of only 45 percent.
Scotland will need to investigate this more fully if it wishes to lead the investigation into energy for the British-Irish Council .
India is only one example of big troubles with nuclear. The French experience is worth looking at also.
A letter in today's press tells us that, in their first four years of operation, the first four most recently completed nuclear plants in France averaged an availability of only 45 percent.
Scotland will need to investigate this more fully if it wishes to lead the investigation into energy for the British-Irish Council .
