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Fear of censure deflects The Golden Compass
COLETTE DOUGLAS HOMEDecember 04 2007

Demented and powerless, the aged being could only weep and mumble in fear and pain and misery and he shrank away from what seemed like another threat . . . He was as light as paper and would have followed them anywhere, having no will of his own."

If you haven't read Philip Pullman's trilogy, His Dark Materials, you might not instantly recognise his description of The Authority - better known to most of us as God.

Pullman's Authority is "of terrifying decrepitude, of a face sunken with wrinkles, of trembling hands and a mumbling mouth and rheumy eyes" who "cackled and muttered to himself, plucking incessantly at his beard".

When a leading character, Mrs Coulter, is told that he suppressed the angels, "since he came into being", she says: "The Authority created the world. How can he have come into being?"

"There may have been a creator or there may not. We don't know," is the answer she receives.

Isn't that the only answer there is - in fact as well as fiction?

The Catholic League of America doesn't think so. It woke up to Pullman and his assertions of a false God only after his trilogy had sold 15 million copies and had been in print for 11 years. Just as the film of his first book reaches the cinema under the title, The Golden Compass, the league is calling on American parents to keep their children away from it. Quite why is puzzling.

The books may be theologically challenging but the film-makers have neutered them. They anticipated the narrow-mindedness of America's Bible belt and secularised Pullman's epic tales. These stories, written to challenge "totalitarianism from communism to theocracy" have been watered down to satisfy the requirement of that other imperative, mammon. Where Hollywood blockbusters are concerned, you don't challenge the audience. The box office take is their god.

It is disappointing to all who have loved the books for the way they brought us back to the big, timeless issues that confront mankind. Those who have religious conviction believe in a creator. Others place their faith in the Big Bang. Most of us float between the two, maybe choosing not to think about it at all - until someone like Pullman stops us in our tracks. His writing reminds us that we don't know for certain either how we got here or why we are here. In an attempt to rationalise this conundrum, mankind has produced many religions over the centuries. But we have no empirical proofs for any one of them. It's why we call them faiths, isn't it?

Yet, the stronger a religion grows, the more millions of people who willingly live by its tenets, the more the lack of scientific proof for it tends to be forgotten. We have painful examples throughout history, from the Spanish Inquisition to the Taliban in modern Afghanistan. Such is our respect for religion that, in most societies, even our secular one, we revere its lieutenants as God's representatives on Earth. Pullman's writing acts as a reminder that they are guardians of a faith, not owners of a proven truth. His books remind his readers of the preciousness of freedom of thought and the importance of fighting for it.

It is the healthiest possible reading material for children and young adults, even if his methods come as a rude awakening. When I first picked up Northern Lights (which is now filmed as The Golden Compass), I was shocked. For here was a children's book in which the source of all evil was an organisation called the Church.

It was a church peopled with priests, monks and bishops yet, almost immediately, even to someone like me, who was brought up as a Catholic, it was clear the institution in the book was not one church but all organised religion - at least all that want to control the freedom of thought of their members.

The books have excited the imagination of children and parents alike. The Archbishop of Canterbury enthused about them when he discussed them with Pullman, during the staging of His Dark Materials at the National Theatre in London. A Liberal American Catholic theologian, Donna Freitas, says the trilogy is a religious classic in which an old patriarchal model of God is killed to make way for a new divinity "fit for our age". She describes Pullman as "a reluctant theologian".

So why did the film-makers bottle it? The child characters in the book risk life itself to fight for freedom of thought. Isn't it ironic and pathetic that when the film-makers carried that challenge on to the screen, they secularised the threat? It doesn't take much of an examination of world affairs to understand that zealotry needs to be challenged.

There isn't even a strong commercial argument. The same league called on the viewing public to boycott The Da Vinci Code and the film was a box office hit. It probably factored in that these films are for children and thought they therefore required to be anodyne, inoffensive. The league should take another look at the children's stories that have lasted the test of time: Little Red Riding Hood, Hansel and Gretel, The Snow Queen. They are laced with horror, cruelty and outrage but they contain a truth.

The secularisation of His Dark Materials won't spoil the story for those who haven't read the books. There is plenty of material in a tale that follows a 12-year-old heroine on a quest to find her kidnapped friend, Roger. Her journey takes her through parallel worlds with the help of a talking, armour-clad polar bear and a flotilla of ageless witches. It's a story in which the characters have external souls, in the form of animals, called daemons.

There is enough to make three epic films that will bring children flocking to the cinemas, but this is an opportunity lost. They could and should have remained true to the books - and the religious institutions should have encouraged them. This was a golden opportunity to get children talking about theology. The books may have challenged a patriarchal God - depicted him as a pretender who had been usurped by his regent. But they do at least mention God. They also present the most spectacular images of angels. Pullman's work has been described, correctly in my view, as "an imaginative springboard for discussion that sometimes leads to embracing God". Instead, fear of censure and the imperative to make big profits have ensured it is just another secular film.

Pullman has stated that it doesn't matter to him whether people believe in God or not. He is a champion of kindness over cruelty, democracy over tyranny, open-minded inquiry over the shutting of freedom of thought and expression. He is right when he says: "To read a great story is not to absorb a doctrine but to begin an imaginative collaboration. It is that freedom that the boycotters find so frightening. Thou shalt not', is soon forgotten. Once upon a time lasts forever'."

We must hope that when children leave the cinema, they will pick up the books.


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Posted by: Jan Chan on 6:57am Tue 4 Dec 07
The Big Bang isn't a faith, it is a conclusion formed from the extrapolation of the evidence presented to us in the world we live in, namely an expanding universe.
Posted by: Marcus Hill on 9:55am Tue 4 Dec 07
Condemnation by the more rabid followers of the invisible sky-daddy does seem to spell box office success, whether the film is a comedy (Life of Brian) or arty flick that would have made next to nothing without the furore (Last Temptation). The film makers missed an opportunity to be praised by fans for actually sticking to the books' original message and getting the free publicity that comes from getting the dafter end of the fundie spectrum properly riled up.
Posted by: Hugh V McLachlan, Elderslie on 3:28pm Tue 4 Dec 07
Jan Chan on 6:57am today

'The Big Bang isn't a faith, it is a conclusion formed from the extrapolation of the evidence presented to us in the world we live in, namely an expanding universe.'

It is a hunch. It might be a true hunch but it is no more a conclusion forced upon us by the evidence than is the claim:

'And God said, Let there be light: and there was light'.

Both are metaphysical speculations whether they are presented by scientists or theologians.
Posted by: cowalker, USA on 4:03pm Tue 4 Dec 07
Ms. Home is correct. Pullman's books could start serious conversations between parents and children about religion, truth, faith, authority and duty, but free-ranging conversation about religion and authority among Catholics is the very last thing the Catholic League of America wants. The Catholic League considers the question settled: the Catholic Church owns the truth and the final authority is the Pope. Thinking and discussion can only endanger the status quo.

They haven't noticed that by demanding that all serious religious material be banned from popular entertainment to avoid offending religious sensibilities, believers have contributed to the secularization of our culture. In movies and TV shows the world is full of beautiful, engaging characters who do heroic things, make moral choices, make life-changing decisions and cope with loss without any reference to religion. The supernatural rarely appears except in non-religious form in fantasy and horror entertainment, and children will be told (hopefully) that witches, ghosts, demons etc. are only make-believe. What are children to make of that except that religion isn't necessary?

That's ok with this atheist, but it's certainly ironic that the hypersensitive religious folks are a strong force for secularization.
Posted by: Rob McFarlene on 5:11pm Tue 4 Dec 07
Hugh V McLachlan wrote:
Jan Chan on 6:57am today

\'The Big Bang isn\'t a faith, it is a conclusion formed from the extrapolation of the evidence presented to us in the world we live in, namely an expanding universe.\'

It is a hunch. It might be a true hunch but it is no more a conclusion forced upon us by the evidence than is the claim:

\'And God said, Let there be light: and there was light\'.

Both are metaphysical speculations whether they are presented by scientists or theologians.
There is a plethora of evidence for the big bang - namely almost the entire field of astrophysics. For creationism there is an old book.
Posted by: Hugh V McLachlan on 5:56pm Tue 4 Dec 07
Rob McFarlene on 5:11pm today

'There is a plethora of evidence for the big bang - namely almost the entire field of astrophysics.'

If the big-bang theory is false, all of astrophysics falls with it? I would be surprised. The truth of many theories in astrophysics is, I suspect, independent of the truth of the big-band theory. Nonetheless, in any branch of science, some currently held theories will in time be abandoned although, of course, we do not yet know which ones.

What you are thinking of as evidence for the big-bang is not evidence in the sense that we can have evidence, say, that smoking causes cancer. What we have is an nterpretation of interpretations of interpretations of theories and experiences. It might be a correct interpretation. It might be a correct intepretation that God created the universe.

That the theory that God created the universe might be even more metaphysical than the big bang theory I would gladly concede.
Posted by: Hugh V McLachlan, Elderslie on 6:06pm Tue 4 Dec 07
We can have knowledge that smoking causes cancer because it is a repeatable and repeated occurrence. It took much experimentation to discover the causal link. Since we cannot have such experimentation with the universe and since the particular origin of the universe would seem to be a unique and unrepeatable event, it is far from clear that knowledge of it is possible. It is far from clear that it is a suitable object of scientific study.
Posted by: Franchesca Mullin, Belfast on 7:03pm Tue 4 Dec 07
What you are thinking of as evidence for the big-bang is not evidence in the sense that we can have evidence, say, that smoking causes cancer.


Oh please! The theory that smoking causes cancer is no different to the theory that the universe began with a rapid "Big Bang" inflation. For smoking we have statistics that show smokers are more likely to die from lung / throat cancer, and a few possible biological mechanisms that seem to be adversely affected by the chemicals we know are in cigarettes, but our understanding of these mechanisms is still incomplete. Likewise, we have the mathematical description of a "big bang" inflationary universe that fits with the "red shift" expansion we currently see in the surrounding galaxies, and have now also found the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation "footprint in the sky" that matches, but the mechanism is not fully understood. Just as tobacco companies spent years (and millions) on exploiting the "uncertainty" of science with regard to "proving" a direct link between tobacco and cancer, so now the "creationists" (AKA "Intelligent Design") are exploiting the perceived "uncertainty" around the word "theory" to try and discredit any science that does not agree with their narrow (and lucrative) view of the universe.
Posted by: Hugh V McLachlan on 7:45pm Tue 4 Dec 07
Franchesca Mullin, Belfast

'Just as tobacco companies spent years (and millions) on exploiting the "uncertainty" of science with regard to "proving" a direct link between tobacco and cancer, so now the "creationists" (AKA "Intelligent Design") are exploiting the perceived "uncertainty" around the word "theory" to try and discredit any science that does not agree with their narrow (and lucrative) view of the universe. '

You are missing various points. One of them is that the big bang theory and the theory that God created the universe might both be true. They do not contradict one another. Are they different theories? Even that is not clear.
Posted by: Colin Ritchie, Houston on 8:34pm Tue 4 Dec 07
Hugh McLachlan:
You are seriously distorting the nature of scientific thought and theory. Like most scientific theories the big bang is currently the best explanation taking account of the available evidence - astrophysical and mathematical in this case. Yes, no doubt it will be modified - or completely disproved, perhaps by a more believable proof that God was responsible (though this currently has a very high improbability). To suggest that the whole body of astrophysics is vulnerable to a disprove of the BBT is preposterous. Also, to suggest that such a scientific theory is essentially of the same nature as the theory that God created the universe is beyond preposterous. One is the cumulation of centuries of human thought the other an idea from old book.
Posted by: Hugh V McLachlan on 8:43pm Tue 4 Dec 07
Colin Ritchie, Houston

You are distorting what I said and what I meant. For instance, we can observe tobacco smoke and we can observe lung cancer and its effects. Furthermore, we can experiment with tobacco smoke. Hence we can have knowledge of a causal link. Contrariwise, we cannot observe the origin of the universe and we cannot observe a big bang prior to the origin of the universe. Hence, our knowledge of the relationship between smoking and cancer is quite unlike our beliefs about the big bang.

'To suggest that the whole body of astrophysics is vulnerable to a disprove of the BBT is preposterous.'

I did not suggest this. In fact, I suggested the opposite: I said: The truth of many theories in astrophysics is, I suspect, independent of the truth of the big-bang theory.'

Posted by: Franchesca Mullin, Belfast on 8:57pm Tue 4 Dec 07
You are missing various points. One of them is that the big bang theory and the theory that God created the universe might both be true. They do not contradict one another. Are they different theories? Even that is not clear.


Let me clarify for you the meaning of the word "theory", as used in science:

In science, a theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. (from wikipedia)


Just to give one example, the "big bang" inflationary universe theory predicted the "footprint" of background radiation, and that is what we found. Please explain how your "God theory" falls into the above definition of a scientific theory, and how you propose to either test or attempt to falsify it through empirical observation. If it does not fall under this definition, then it is only a hypothesis, and has carries no more weight or relevance than any other off the wall hypothesis that a person could come up with. How about the idea that we are all just a computer simulation, or that the universe came into being 2 seconds ago in such a way that it just "looks" like there was a past? Would you give any of these ideas as much thought as the idea that there was a creator God, or do you agree that they are equally irrelevant?
Posted by: Hugh V McLachlan, Elderslie on 9:04pm Tue 4 Dec 07
'Let me clarify for you the meaning of the word "theory", as used in science:'

I have been writing about such matters in academic journals for decades. I do not need you to do this for me. I do not accept Wikipedia's definition. It is not a reliable source
Posted by: Franchesca Mullin, Belfast on 9:11pm Tue 4 Dec 07
we cannot observe the origin of the universe and we cannot observe a big bang prior to the origin of the universe.


The "big bang" refers to the rapid expansion of the Universe, not to an event that happened in any way "before" the Universe (this expansion has been extrapolated back to a single point, or "singularity"). Just like the theory of "natural selection" does not deal with the origin of life, the "big bang" theory does not deal with anything that happened before the Universe. If you have an interest in this kind of stuff then there are some excellent books out there, like "Big Bang: The Most Important Scientific Discovery of All Time and Why You Need to Know About It ".
Posted by: Colin Ritchie, Houston on 9:16pm Tue 4 Dec 07
Hugh:

You are muddying the waters by comparing the nature of the BBT with nature of evidence for smoking causing cancer. They do indeed use different forms of evidence but so what? Your original premise which has become obscured by such irrelevances was:
Both are metaphysical speculations whether they are presented by scientists or theologians.

Do you continue to maintain this? Can you not concede that the astrophysical evidence is materially different from religious scripture and theology?
One could argue (perhaps you do) that it all boils down to probabilities: nothing is certain, so nothing can be ruled out and any theory is as good as any other. You may maintain this in relation to religious belief but I'll bet you don't apply it to everyday life. Religion is a wondrous realm in which conventional reason and rationality is excused to avoid embarrassing the believers.
Posted by: Franchesca Mullin, Belfast on 9:18pm Tue 4 Dec 07
I have been writing about such matters in academic journals for decades. I do not need you to do this for me. I do not accept Wikipedia's definition. It is not a reliable source


I would be thrilled to hear your particular definition of what constitutes a scientific theory.
Posted by: Walk, South Lake Tahoe, CA, USA on 9:21pm Tue 4 Dec 07
It's always curious to me that people today, many of who owe their very lives to the wonders of modern science (vaccine, heart-transplant,etc
.), are so reluctant to accept the reality of the Big Bang and evolution as shown by a mountain of scientific study. I agree that the BB, evolution, and the existence of god COULD all be true, but if some intelligent force was responsible for the BB, there is certainly ZERO real evidence that this force has ever intervened from then 'til now.
Posted by: Hugh V McLachlan, Elderslie on 9:46pm Tue 4 Dec 07
Franchesca Mullin, Belfast

'I would be thrilled to hear your particular definition of what constitutes a scientific theory.'

The point is that there is not one particular essential form of scientific theory. There are various forms that they can take. Similarly, there are different sorts of science. A common mistake in the past was to imagine that, somehow, physics was more quintessentially scientific than other sciences. Furthermore, explanations of particular events and occurences are different from the explanation of classes of phenomena.

More importantly, the distinction between science and non-science is not the same as the distinction between knowledge and non-knowledge or between reason and non-reason. Some non-scientific theories are true while some scientific ones are false. Not all science is successful science


Posted by: Walk, South Lake Tahoe, CA on 10:24pm Tue 4 Dec 07
Hugh, if you don’t mind, could you give an example of a non-scientific theory that is true, and the evidence which proves it? I’m a bit confused as to what you’re getting at. Thanks.
Posted by: Barry Thomas, London on 10:45pm Tue 4 Dec 07
Hugh, did you contribute to these?

http://www.allbookst
ores.com/author/Hugh
_V_Mclachlan.html

I've not been able to read any reviews on these Witchcraft books.
Do you believe in magic?
Inquiring minds want to know?
Posted by: Hugh V McLachlan, Elderslie on 10:55pm Tue 4 Dec 07
'Hugh, if you don’t mind, could you give an example of a non-scientific theory that is true, and the evidence which proves it?'

What about the theory that the word 'honcho' means someone who dominates a project, situation or other people? The evidence that supports this theory includes my testimony that it says so in my Bloomsbury English Dictionary. Such evidence is not fool-proof. I might be lying or the dictionary might be mistaken but this still counts as evidence.

Another example might be the theory that it is wrong to kill people merely because they are, say, homosexual, left-handed or Jewish. This true non-scientific theory needs no evidence.

My favourite colour is blue. That is a true non-scientific theory. I know it is true but I would suppose that other people don't.

I would suggest that non-scientific knowledge must have preceded scientific knowledge since if human beings could not have known anything at all before science appeared on earth, science would not have appeared. We would have become extinct.

Celtic are through to the next stage of the Champions league. I gleaned this non-scientific knowledge from the news on BBC3. I would suggest the true non-scientific theory: they will not win the competition.

I am sorry that I do not have time to answer all the posts or to answer this question more fully.
Posted by: Hugh V McLachlan, Elderslie on 10:59pm Tue 4 Dec 07
Barry Thomas, London

'Do you believe in magic?'

No, I do not. I am interested in the history and sociology of the topic.
Posted by: Martin McDonald, Cumbernauld on 11:13pm Tue 4 Dec 07
I've always had a liking for the fantasy novel. I enjoy many books within the genre from the Inklings to Harry Potter. I was given the first in the Pullman trilogy a few years ago by my brother and I felt it was, frankly, crap. A bit creepy but ultimately dull and I got the feeling the author was trying too hard. A bit like Christopher Brookmyre as compared with Iain Banks or Ian Rankine. I never did read the rest of the trilogy.

Only later did I discover that Pullman was another atheist poster boy and that this trilogy was his wee dig. It wasn't apparent from the first book but I'm lead to believe it shines through in books 2 and 3.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing the Golden Compass in the cinema. The trailers look good. I hope it's more entertaining than the book.
Posted by: Yok Finney, Ross-shire on 11:13pm Tue 4 Dec 07
the big bang is currently the best explanation taking account of the available evidence - astrophysical and mathematical

No it isn't. I much prefer a resonant universe, a frequency universe.

Search: Dan Fitzpatrick TOE

and read.

Thus particles like electrons are scalar spherical standing waves.

I call it Evolving Steady State Theory. Where relativity, quantum mechanics and quantum chromodynamics play amazing games from quarks to precessing galaxies.

We're looking at a unified Principles (rather than field) concept.

Inertia is caused by surroundings. Or how else do fabulous items of precission engineering like gyroscopes work?

We move on.
Posted by: Walk, South Lake Tahoe, CA on 12:04am Wed 5 Dec 07
Hugh,

Thanks for the answer, I think I get your point.

May I conclude from your first post that you believe in the existence of the Christian god?

Yok Finney,

You may prefer a different theory, but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of the scientific community accepts the Big Bang as best explanation.
Posted by: Hugh V McLachlan, Elderlsie on 8:53am Wed 5 Dec 07
Walk, South Lake Tahoe, CA

'You may prefer a different theory,'

I do not think that I do prefer a different theory. I do not see that it is incompatible with a belief in the existence of God. In fact, I do not see how any scientific theory could be inconsistent with such a belief, which, waveringly, I hold. Similarly, I am happy to accept the scientific account of evolution.
Posted by: Franchesca Mullin, Belfast on 11:39am Wed 5 Dec 07
The point is that there is not one particular essential form of scientific theory. There are various forms that they can take. Similarly, there are different sorts of science. A common mistake in the past was to imagine that, somehow, physics was more quintessentially scientific than other sciences. Furthermore, explanations of particular events and occurrences are different from the explanation of classes of phenomena.


I never said that Physics was "more quintessentially scientific" than any other science, but in your original point you had essentially claimed that the medical evidence for cancer caused by smoking was, to use your own words "more quintessentially scientific" than the measurable evidence for the "big bang" inflationary universe. Do you now agree that they are the same, i.e. equally scientific?

More importantly, the distinction between science and non-science is not the same as the distinction between knowledge and non-knowledge or between reason and non-reason. Some non-scientific theories are true while some scientific ones are false. Not all science is successful science


What Postmodernist rubbish! Knowledge = data; something you can see or measure, science = theory that describes the data, and makes predictions. I have knowledge that the moon is in the sky, because I see it there, but if I observe it repeatedly I can predict its future movements. Anything we "know" intuitively is a result of evolution or subconsciously noticing that an action causes a certain result, but can still be tested scientifically. Do you think that, because a scientific theory can be falsified, it somehow justifies you "believing" in something that cannot be falsified? The ability of science to prove that an idea is "false" is actually its greatest strength.

So, what are these "non-scientific" theories that are true, even though they are unfalsifyable? I'm sorry, but if you are sitting at your computer believing things that you think are both true and unfalsifyable, then you are deluding yourself. If you mean the following:

Another example might be the theory that it is wrong to kill people merely because they are, say, homosexual, left-handed or Jewish. This true non-scientific theory needs no evidence.


This is human instinct, and the empathy of a social animal. Surely the evidence for this "theory" is the mental distress in any normal human being at seeing a fellow human treated in this manner, and the obvious damage to the species? It may not “need” evidence, but it certainly has some.
Posted by: Walk, South Lake Tahoe, CA on 9:06pm Wed 5 Dec 07
Hi Hugh,

I’m sorry if my last post wasn’t clear. My statement “You may prefer a different theory” was actually addressed to Yok Finney in his post where he postulates that the Big Bang is NOT the best explanation for the beginning of the universe. I’ve never heard of the alternate theory he prefers. Perhaps in years to come, his “Evolving Steady State Theory” may gain creedence.

I agree that the BB, evolution, and the existence of a “first cause” creator god are not incompatible, and I welcome the description of your belief as “wavering”. My problem comes with ascribing this god with the attributes detailed in the Bible (the angry, vengeful, arrogant, punishing aspects). I would believe in this god if there were ANY proof that he exists, or that he has intervened in our life on earth (after biblical times).

If you are curious about discussions on this subject visit the forums at RichardDawkins.net.
Posted by: Walk, South Lake Tahoe, CA on 9:07pm Wed 5 Dec 07
Hi Hugh,

I’m sorry if my last post wasn’t clear. My statement “You may prefer a different theory” was actually addressed to Yok Finney in his post where he postulates that the Big Bang is NOT the best explanation for the beginning of the universe. I’ve never heard of the alternate theory he prefers. Perhaps in years to come, his “Evolving Steady State Theory” may gain creedence.

I agree that the BB, evolution, and the existence of a “first cause” creator god are not incompatible, and I welcome the description of your belief as “wavering”. My problem comes with ascribing this god with the attributes detailed in the Bible (the angry, vengeful, arrogant, punishing aspects). I would believe in this god if there were ANY proof that he exists, or that he has intervened in our life on earth (after biblical times).

If you are curious about discussions on this subject visit the forums at RichardDawkins.net.
Posted by: Walk, South Lake Tahoe, CA on 9:08pm Wed 5 Dec 07
Oops!! Sorry I posted twice!
Posted by: Yok Finney, Ross-shire on 10:44pm Wed 5 Dec 07
Kurt Gödel proved that if you were confined to within the parameters of one of these subset rules (gauges) then there would be no way that you could see it was merely a subset rule and you might even think that what you had was a true universal law. Here on Earth we are thus confined.

Believing these subset rules are laws, is the trap present science has fallen into because this is a frequency universe. The only math that can possibly work in this frequency universe is a type of frequency math similar to Milo Wolff's, that is matched to frequency laws similar to these "A" Laws. All other math can only prove things are subset rules and therefore WRONG, not right. . So you know anything that is proven with any other math, than this frequency math, has to be a subset rule and not a true law.

Yes, the people in the quantum field have found out, this is definitely a frequency universe. . Our predecessors, who laid the foundation for our present science didn't know this. They gave us laws for solids, liquids and gasses, which in fact are merely subset rules and not true laws.

You have to ask the following question: Why does the tensor math of general relativity work as well as it does? There is only one answer to this: It works because it accurately translates what is happening in other TYPE reference frames (other gauges) to your one, single, subset reference frame. Or as quantum people would say it allows you to work entirely within one gauge without having to fix another gauge.

A reference frame or a gauge is essentially a view of things in which the combination of space and time (the space-time interval) remains unchanged. This allows rules for that particular gauge to be set up. The rules in that gauge or view will not vary. (local gauge invariance) You will be forced to set up new rules (fix another gauge) whenever the space-time interval changes appreciably.


I find teaching this new physics / understanding - so far as I teach myself ! - is like learning a musical instrument.

I would say to a pupil: I can see you're trying, but try playing it this way, and take it slowly. And the pupil might immediately grasp the technique or it could weeks or months -- and practice.

Our minds were developed in a vast area where the space-time interval does not change appreciably. This is why many of our quantum theorists today do not understand the underlying reason why they must fix these different gauges. You will remain in the realm of stone age science if you do not understand that, in different gauges, the space-time interval changes.
Posted by: Hugh V McLachlan, Elderslie on 10:47pm Wed 5 Dec 07
Franchesca Mullin, Belfast on 11:39am today

I am most certainly not a postmodernist, nor am I a Popperian. See:
‘Language, Truth and Meaning; A Defence of Modernism’ International Journal of Sociology and Social Policy, Vol. 25, No. 12, 2005.

'So, what are these "non-scientific" theories that are true, even though they are unfalsifyable? I'm sorry, but if you are sitting at your computer believing things that you think are both true and unfalsifyable, then you are deluding yourself. '

Examples of non-falsifiable, true statements abound. For instance,: **** usually stinks; The earth is more or less spherical; The word 'bachelor' means an unmarried adult human being rather than a lover of Bach's music; Sex sometimes causes babies although babies are not always caused by sex (since, for instance, there can be clones)....

None of these theories is in Popperian terms falsifiable since there is no observation statement which logically contradicts them.(See 'Thomas, Znaniecki and Popper on Falsification', Journal of the History of Ideas, Vol. 37, No. 3, 1976 and 'The Methodology Rather Than the Rhetoric of Economics; McCloskey on Popper and Hume', (with J. K. Swales), Journal of Interdisciplinary Economics, Vol.9, No. 2, 1998.
Posted by: Yok Finney, Ross-shire on 12:11am Thu 6 Dec 07
All the universities in the world have completely dismissed the old idea of the cosmological constant put forth by Einstein. . As I write this in the year 2002, few scientists accept this force that Einstein once claimed was equal but opposite to gravity in that it was a repulsive force holding all the stars and galaxies apart. . Now this repulsive force is back in the news again. Saul Perlmutter says Einstein was right all the time and Einstein did NOT make a big blunder by giving us this opposite force of gravity. Presently a few scientists have even come forth to challenge present science and say Perlmutter is right.
Posted by: Walk, South Lake Tahoe, CA, USA on 1:26am Thu 6 Dec 07
You guys are over my head now. - - Although I majored in physics at UMass ('62-'65), I've spent my life as a musician/entertainer
. I try to read a bit of Hawkins and Davies once in a while, but I'w waaayyy behind you guys. Thanks for the great discussion! I'll sign off for now. -Steve
Posted by: clayton-moore on 11:36am Thu 6 Dec 07
Hugh V McLachlan, Elderslie
Is a rather clever troll who specialises in posting pseudo philosophical gobblygook and self-contradictary statements.
All spam in the end.
See the "Scotsman" letters passim.
Posted by: Walk, South Lake Tahoe, CA on 11:05pm Thu 6 Dec 07
That would explain a lot.
Posted by: heredal, perth on 9:43am Fri 7 Dec 07
The cranks in the Catholic League have given up atheist bashing over the Golden Compass and are now foaming at the mouth over a "Protestant" movie called Noelle. Looky here:

http://www.catholicl

eague.com/release.ph

p?id=1363

What is even more interesting is that theoriginal press release from a few days back identified this film's makers in the opening paragraph as "a Protestant movie company" (which it is, look it up. Its Chairman is an ex VP of the Trinity Broadcasting Network too) BUT that bit has now been taken out. I wonder why? However, there is still a reference to Protestants in the final paragraph of the current release. It says “Stereotypes about Protestant ministers abound, raising the question, Why didn’t Gener8Xion choose to mock one of their own clergy? Similarly, given that the film’s writer, David Hall, has said that his primary interest was in ‘dealing with hypocrisy,’ why didn’t he consult with Sen. Charles Grassley about all those ‘prosperity church’ pastors being investigated for ripping off their flock? "

I've seen Catholic League's Donohue on BBC World. The interviewer had to tell him at one point to quieten down and let the other speaker have a chance to speak. If Pullman's trilogy is about attempts by the religious to suppress all counter arguments, then Donohue at the Catholic League is living proof that Pullman has a point!
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