The West Lothian question: a matter of virility
Have the eunuchs taken over the bordello? I ask the question because the man who probably knows more about British politics than anyone else alive, the redoubtable Professor Anthony King, recently described Scottish MPs as being in effect "eunuchs". He noted that with regard to most matters that affected their constituents, they were impotent. At the same time, they retained "full virility" on matters that only affected other MPs representing non-Scottish constituencies.
We will have a General Election in the next couple of years. A Tory
victory now looks a strong possibility, if not a probability. That being so, it is high time that more attention was focused on the "eunuchs", on what they do and, more importantly, what they don't do. In particular the role of the 40 or so Labour MPs
who represent Scottish seats at Westminster needs to be examined as never before.
A few of these MPs are obviously doing a great deal. They include the Prime Minister, the Chancellor, the Defence Secretary and the Speaker. Unfortunately, none of these Scottish MPs with huge UK responsibilities is performing well. Indeed all four are currently regarded as being pretty inadequate. The question for them is simple: On exactly what foundation do these "eunuchs" have such considerable power beyond Scotland if they are no good at using it? It is a question that more and more English voters will be asking, believe me.
Even more pressing is the question that has to be asked about the majority of Scottish Labour MPs, almost a phantom in our lives. I'm sure many of their constituents have no idea of who they are or what they are doing. I don't altogether blame these MPs for being low profile to the point of invisibility. It is hardly surprising when, as Professor King notes, they can be of so little direct relevance to their constituents.
The current arrangements reflect a constitutional settlement which was Labour-driven. Now the time has surely come for the "Bullingdon boys" at the centre of the new Tory project, David Cameron and George Osborne, to give their full attention to this pivotal issue. But on this,
if on little else, they have been strangely quiet.
Meanwhile Scottish voters could usefully ask their Westminster MPs how they spend their time, or more fundamentally, how they justify their political existence. I asked two Scots I know well what they thought their MPs did. The first said cynically: Well, they claim their expenses, and maybe they have to spend much more time on that chore now that they are being scrutinised more carefully.
The other (my wife) was both more serious and more generous. First she asked me a question: Who was our MP? I had to think for quite a few seconds before I remembered. Having made that particular point, she then said that this MP, who is regarded as a decent Labour backbencher, was always raising issues such as global poverty and what was being done about the developing world's debt mountain.
Fair enough. No-one could deny the supreme significance of such global issues. Yet - do we Scots send our MPs to Westminster to address such matters? So far I have avoided Tam Dalyell's great West Lothian question. But let me come to it this rather oblique way: What if, after the next election, Cameron has a working majority, but there are still a considerable number of Scottish Labour MPs? What if Cameron then introduces legislation to diminish drastically the number of Scottish MPs at Westminster, as he would have every right to do?
Obviously these are matters of speculation rather than fact. But the conduct of politics is partly about anticipating problems ahead. And these questions also bear directly on the present. The current Westminster dispositions are tilted unduly in favour of Scotland. Professor King has noted that though Scotland, unlike England, now has its own separate government, Scots representation at Westminster has gone down by only 13 MPs (59 instead of 72). Thus Scotland is still represented at the UK Parliament "almost as though nothing has happened."
Soon events are likely to bring that essential unfairness into focus. An incoming Tory government,
with little Scottish representation but an overall UK mandate, would immediately foment grievance in
Scotland. Grievance about the present arrangements is already
stirring in England.
These are more than mere constitutional issues. They have a moral dimension. They concern the integrity of our sovereign parliament. They are issues that the coming man, David Cameron, has a duty to confront. Why is he not doing so?
I can see two straightforward solutions to the current mess. One would be to slash the size of Scotland's representation at Westminster. The other, which I'd prefer, would be for Scotland to become independent.
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Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 10:55pm Wed 7 May 08
The reduction from 72 MP's to 59 still leaves scotland over represented, 53 MP's would be parity with England's total of 529 MP's pre devolution.
Post devolution a figure of 27 MP's being allocated to Westminster from scotland would seem fair.
The reduction from 72 MP's to 59 still leaves scotland over represented, 53 MP's would be parity with England's total of 529 MP's pre devolution.
Post devolution a figure of 27 MP's being allocated to Westminster from scotland would seem fair.
Posted by: Ben Lomond, Ardlui on 11:42pm Wed 7 May 08
"I can see two straightforward solutions to the current mess. One would be to slash the size of Scotland's representation at Westminster. The other, which I'd prefer, would be for Scotland to become independent."
As the first of these straightforward solutions is quite liable to lead in due course to the second, we might as well go directly to independence without wasting any more time on diversions.
"I can see two straightforward solutions to the current mess. One would be to slash the size of Scotland's representation at Westminster. The other, which I'd prefer, would be for Scotland to become independent."
As the first of these straightforward solutions is quite liable to lead in due course to the second, we might as well go directly to independence without wasting any more time on diversions.
Posted by: Saladin, Glasgow on 11:54pm Wed 7 May 08
Perhaps we should ask is Harry Reid value for money?
It would appear he has a great deal of time but produces so very little in the way of value.
We know you would prefer independence Harry you tell us every week. We also know that you can't give any genuine reasons for feeling that way. We know also that you would like the UK to stand down from the UN Security Council in favour of India/Brazil/any other country you feel to be more deserving.
We know you feel oh so guilty about leading your nice, safe, middle class life in your nice neighbourhood in Edinburgh and having such nice friends and enjoying nice holidays (oh the airmiles!).
You see Harry, you are filled with guilt and contempt for yourself at having had a nice middle class life and deep down you think you don't deserve it.
Have you thought about becoming a Minister Harry? I don't mean a political one either. Frankly, I'm fed up with you inflicting your smug guilt on the rest of us and your flatly unreasoned calls for independence.
Perhaps we should ask is Harry Reid value for money?
It would appear he has a great deal of time but produces so very little in the way of value.
We know you would prefer independence Harry you tell us every week. We also know that you can't give any genuine reasons for feeling that way. We know also that you would like the UK to stand down from the UN Security Council in favour of India/Brazil/any other country you feel to be more deserving.
We know you feel oh so guilty about leading your nice, safe, middle class life in your nice neighbourhood in Edinburgh and having such nice friends and enjoying nice holidays (oh the airmiles!).
You see Harry, you are filled with guilt and contempt for yourself at having had a nice middle class life and deep down you think you don't deserve it.
Have you thought about becoming a Minister Harry? I don't mean a political one either. Frankly, I'm fed up with you inflicting your smug guilt on the rest of us and your flatly unreasoned calls for independence.
Posted by: Old Tam, Glasgow on 12:40am Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]Saladin[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps we should ask is Harry Reid value for money? It would appear he has a great deal of time but produces so very little in the way of value. We know you would prefer independence Harry you tell us every week. We also know that you can't give any genuine reasons for feeling that way. We know also that you would like the UK to stand down from the UN Security Council in favour of India/Brazil/any other country you feel to be more deserving. We know you feel oh so guilty about leading your nice, safe, middle class life in your nice neighbourhood in Edinburgh and having such nice friends and enjoying nice holidays (oh the airmiles!). You see Harry, you are filled with guilt and contempt for yourself at having had a nice middle class life and deep down you think you don't deserve it. Have you thought about becoming a Minister Harry? I don't mean a political one either. Frankly, I'm fed up with you inflicting your smug guilt on the rest of us and your flatly unreasoned calls for independence.[/quote] Frankly I'm glad Harry is pro independence since there are so many self-seekers who support the union out of naked self-interest. Many of them are in the Labour party - the sole purpose of which is to ride the gravy train fuelled by the fear and anger that they deliberately engender in the Scottish people.
In fact Labour politicians are never happier than when in opposition, all those expenses and junkets without having to deliver anything, just ranting and raving about poverty and injustice - which as we are seeing now, they do nothing about when in power. The electorate can only take so much of that before they wake-up and smell the coffee - and they are now. The Labour party is sustained by poverty and they will never try to eliminate that source of their good fortune.
Saladin wrote:
Perhaps we should ask is Harry Reid value for money? It would appear he has a great deal of time but produces so very little in the way of value. We know you would prefer independence Harry you tell us every week. We also know that you can't give any genuine reasons for feeling that way. We know also that you would like the UK to stand down from the UN Security Council in favour of India/Brazil/any other country you feel to be more deserving. We know you feel oh so guilty about leading your nice, safe, middle class life in your nice neighbourhood in Edinburgh and having such nice friends and enjoying nice holidays (oh the airmiles!). You see Harry, you are filled with guilt and contempt for yourself at having had a nice middle class life and deep down you think you don't deserve it. Have you thought about becoming a Minister Harry? I don't mean a political one either. Frankly, I'm fed up with you inflicting your smug guilt on the rest of us and your flatly unreasoned calls for independence.
Frankly I'm glad Harry is pro independence since there are so many self-seekers who support the union out of naked self-interest. Many of them are in the Labour party - the sole purpose of which is to ride the gravy train fuelled by the fear and anger that they deliberately engender in the Scottish people.
In fact Labour politicians are never happier than when in opposition, all those expenses and junkets without having to deliver anything, just ranting and raving about poverty and injustice - which as we are seeing now, they do nothing about when in power. The electorate can only take so much of that before they wake-up and smell the coffee - and they are now. The Labour party is sustained by poverty and they will never try to eliminate that source of their good fortune.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 6:25am Thu 8 May 08
As that other Great British Eunoch once said, "Power Devolved is Power Retained".
As that other Great British Eunoch once said, "Power Devolved is Power Retained".
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 10:07am Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]scotland only 8% of UK[/bold] wrote:
The reduction from 72 MP's to 59 still leaves scotland over represented, 53 MP's would be parity with England's total of 529 MP's pre devolution. Post devolution a figure of 27 MP's being allocated to Westminster from scotland would seem fair.[/quote] You're too generous. None at all would suit me fine.
One ambassador should take are of the rest.
scotland only 8% of UK wrote:
The reduction from 72 MP's to 59 still leaves scotland over represented, 53 MP's would be parity with England's total of 529 MP's pre devolution. Post devolution a figure of 27 MP's being allocated to Westminster from scotland would seem fair.
You're too generous. None at all would suit me fine.
One ambassador should take are of the rest.
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 10:08am Thu 8 May 08
That was "take care", of course.
That was "take care", of course.
Posted by: ratzo on 2:40pm Thu 8 May 08
Its not only at westminster that labour numpties are invisible. They were invisible at Holyrood for eight long years too. They only emerged blinking into the sunlight when the SNP took over. And what a sorry sight it is.
Of course, if there is increased SNP representation at Westminster when Brown is booted out in 2010 then it is perhaps not so likely that Cameron will feel so comfortable about the reduction of Scottish MPs, as it be a gift to the Independence movement.
Cameron may also be thinking about an English Parliament by then anyway, and in any case, as Harry Reid says, its not impossible that there will be a yes vote on an independence referendum by then too...
Its not only at westminster that labour numpties are invisible. They were invisible at Holyrood for eight long years too. They only emerged blinking into the sunlight when the SNP took over. And what a sorry sight it is.
Of course, if there is increased SNP representation at Westminster when Brown is booted out in 2010 then it is perhaps not so likely that Cameron will feel so comfortable about the reduction of Scottish MPs, as it be a gift to the Independence movement.
Cameron may also be thinking about an English Parliament by then anyway, and in any case, as Harry Reid says, its not impossible that there will be a yes vote on an independence referendum by then too...
Posted by: JBlackley, Florida on 6:12pm Thu 8 May 08
This article is the longest troll I've ever seen in the Herald.
This article is the longest troll I've ever seen in the Herald.
Posted by: John, England on 6:34pm Thu 8 May 08
Cameron is silent on the WLQ because it is an absolute can of worms. It will pay him to remain silent pro tem while watching Labour self destruct.
The only worry for him is that
1. In the end the Conservatives are going to have to publicly address the subject because , in England , the subject is more than just stirring it is one of which every politically literate person is increasingly aware by the week. They are increasingly perceived to be the government in waiting and as such must act responsibly . In the end being responsible must demand more than simply keeping heads down on the WLQ
2. Labour could just , in a desperate attempt to regain popularity in England , announce that they are to bring in a referendum in on the subject of an English parliament .
Nothing else is going to do them much good.
Cameron is silent on the WLQ because it is an absolute can of worms. It will pay him to remain silent pro tem while watching Labour self destruct.
The only worry for him is that
1. In the end the Conservatives are going to have to publicly address the subject because , in England , the subject is more than just stirring it is one of which every politically literate person is increasingly aware by the week. They are increasingly perceived to be the government in waiting and as such must act responsibly . In the end being responsible must demand more than simply keeping heads down on the WLQ
2. Labour could just , in a desperate attempt to regain popularity in England , announce that they are to bring in a referendum in on the subject of an English parliament .
Nothing else is going to do them much good.
Posted by: turpie, clydesdale on 2:17pm Fri 9 May 08
I've never been keen on cutting the number of MPs from Scottish constituencies for we are still entitled to representation on matters like Foreign Policy and Defence and cutting the number from this side of the Hadrian Line would weaken our position.
I wouldn't mind having the representation as in Australia with our own separate government in Edinburgh but be represented in a Federal Parliament too. After all it's our oil that keeps Westminster afloat.
As for the West Lothian Question, I think Big Tam raised it for devilment. He must have seen that since the English MPs had voted on Scottish matters since the joining of the parliaments, giving us the right to vote in the future on English matters, just for a wee while, would be fair and the matter would resolve itself in a few hundred years time. It just needs a little patience.
I've never been keen on cutting the number of MPs from Scottish constituencies for we are still entitled to representation on matters like Foreign Policy and Defence and cutting the number from this side of the Hadrian Line would weaken our position.
I wouldn't mind having the representation as in Australia with our own separate government in Edinburgh but be represented in a Federal Parliament too. After all it's our oil that keeps Westminster afloat.
As for the West Lothian Question, I think Big Tam raised it for devilment. He must have seen that since the English MPs had voted on Scottish matters since the joining of the parliaments, giving us the right to vote in the future on English matters, just for a wee while, would be fair and the matter would resolve itself in a few hundred years time. It just needs a little patience.
