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George W Bush has the lowest IQ of any US President in history. A Romanian couple named their son Yahoo because they met on the internet. The sweetener aspartame has been proved responsible for an epidemic of cancer and multiple sclerosis.
None of the above is true. But each statement has been published as fact all over the world-wide web.
That's the problem with the greatest information resource ever known: it's full of rubbish. Each time you visit a new web page, you're taking a massive gamble: can you trust what you're reading? Try Googling Martin Luther King. Within the first few links you'll find one claiming to be "the truth a valuable resource for teachers and students". It's nothing of the sort: it's actually a lot of thinly disguised hate from a white supremacist organisation. Not everyone - especially children - will have the education or intelligence
to realise.
In the old days, when we relied on books, journals and newspapers for our information, it was a lot simpler: every fact in front of you had been checked and vouched for by a team of editors. Now, though, anyone with half an hour to spare can set up a website and claim to be an authority.
Which is why the web needs quality control. To be precise, what it needs is an international commission to stand up for accuracy. There's already the W3 Consortium, which sets standards for the coding of web pages. So why not have one to set standards for well, truth?
Obviously, there's no way every single one of the many billions of web pages out there can be individually audited or edited. Instead, this organisation - which, for the sake of argument, we'll call the Internet-Wide Accuracy Commission, or iWac for short - would slowly but surely produce a list of approved websites. Just as the W3C offers the best coders a logo they can stick on their site, the iWac would have a recognisable symbol that could be displayed by those who met the grade. Similarly, its homepage would act as an authoritative guide to the very best of the internet - the sites you could trust - and warn what to avoid.
The Herald's website, for instance (just to pick a biased example) would get a thumbs-up: it is part of a long tradition of fair and accurate reporting, as are many other newspaper sites worldwide. Snopes, run by the estimable David and Barbara Mikkelson, dedicated to exposing internet untruths - such as those at the beginning of this piece - would be a dead cert, as would such reputable sites as Bartleby and the Internet Movie Database.
But Wikipedia, the noble but flawed public-access encyclopaedia, wouldn't make the grade. It can be edited by anyone, meaning its information is always in flux - and it is a popular target for pranksters. Just ask the American comedian Sinbad, whose Wikipedia entry was the other week repeatedly altered to claim that he'd died. (Never heard of him? Well, why don't you look him up on the internet? Er, because it might tell you he was dead. See what I mean?) This doesn't mean Wikipedia isn't a valuable resource: it's just not one that can be trusted as a primary source. But how many users - again, especially children - realise that?
The postmodernists among you might quibble with the notion of absolute truth. But the iWac wouldn't seek to ban or impose. It would be about establishing a constantly monitored top tier of trustworthy pages, and warning users of fakes and hoaxes.
So who would they be, these iWac luminaries guiding our way? Well: given that we'd be asking them to make informed judgments with no specific deadline, the ideal people would be intelligent volunteers with an interest in preserving the integrity of the web. We'd want internet big-hitters such as Apple's Steve Jobs (a man outspoken enough to have
no reason not to be impartial) or the aforementioned Mikkelsons; philosophers and cultural commentators; plus eager volunteers, such as those who hang about chat sites bemoaning the state of the web. (I'd certainly put my hand up.) And because they'd be working purely for the love of the internet, rather than for cash, there'd be no chance of backhanders or bribes.
Nobody's saying these volunteers would be infallible. But ask yourself what you would trust more: a random result from a Google search, or a site vouched for by a team of independent eyes?
A report earlier this month claimed the introduction of computers in British classrooms has had a negligible effect on exam results. To be honest, I'm surprised it hasn't led to a complete collapse. We have a wealth of misinformation at our fingertips, and it's increasing every day. If teachers, librarians, parents, bosses and - well, each and every one of us - knew good people were out there slowly and diligently filtering the facts from the falsehoods, wouldn't the web, and the world, be a better place?
iWac or just iWacky: what do you think? Join the debate at forum.theherald.co.uk, or e-mail features@theherald.co.uk (with the subject line Think Tank). We'll bring you the best responses later in the week, and a new idea next Monday.
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Posted by: sharon, South Carolina, USA on 1:48am Mon 26 Mar 07
I don't know personally if Aspartame causes MS.I do know that it caused me to have "cluster headaches", hypertension, muscle spasms in my shoulders, and it almost caused me to go blind. Because of that brain poison I am now extremely sensitive to chemicals, especially formaldehyde. Our FDA was bought and paid for by the makers of this stuff. And how many millions of dollars did Donald Rumsfeld get paid to have it approved.? I'm still waiting to see if Aspartame causes me to get cancer.
I don't know personally if Aspartame causes MS.I do know that it caused me to have "cluster headaches", hypertension, muscle spasms in my shoulders, and it almost caused me to go blind. Because of that brain poison I am now extremely sensitive to chemicals, especially formaldehyde. Our FDA was bought and paid for by the makers of this stuff. And how many millions of dollars did Donald Rumsfeld get paid to have it approved.? I'm still waiting to see if Aspartame causes me to get cancer.
Posted by: cathy on 5:03am Mon 26 Mar 07
[bold]bold[/bold] I AM LIVING PROOF THAT ASPARTAME WAS KILLING ME WITH HEADACHES DIZZYNESS,FALLING DOWN,COULD NOT WALK FOR A WHILE,COULD NOT THINK.IT ACTACTED MY BRAIN.I COULD NOT REMEMBER THINGS FROM THE DAY BEFORE.MY PAIN WAS SO BAD.I GOT WHERE I COULD NOT SEE MUCH OR HEAR.MY LEGGS SWELLED.MY HANDS AND FEET SPLIT..LOSS OF MY HAIR.I COULD NOT COMPERHEND.MY MIND WAS LIKE A CLOUD FOR ALMOST 2 YEARS SOME DOCTORS COULD NOT FIND OUT WHAT WAS WRONG WITH ME THEY THOUGHT I HAD A STROKE AT ONE TIME AND THEN THEY THOUGHT I HAD ataxiay cerebilitis OF THE BRAIN.they SAID THAT SHOULD LAST ABOUT 6 MONTHS.WHEN 6 MONTHS WENT BY I WAS WORSE..AND KEPT GETTING WORSE..THE DOCTORS COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING THAT HAD ALL MY SYMTOMS IN IT.ONE DAY DOCTOR RUSSELL BLACKLOCK M.D. WAS TELLING ABOUT ASPARTAME ON A PROGRAM AND GAVE A WEBSITE TO READ.I WENT THERE AND SURE NOUGH THERE WAS ALL MY SYMTOMS LISTED ALL OF THEM UNDER ASPARTAME.I WENT TO MY DOCTOR WITH IT AND HE AGREED THAT WAS WHAT I HAD WITH DIFF TESTING.MY DOCTOR HAD DID A RESEARCH A WHILE BACK ON ASPARTAME.HE KNEW A LOT ABOUT IT.SO I WAS TOLD NOT TO TAKE IN ANY MORE ASPARTAME FOR 60 TO 90 DAYS TO SEE IF I GET BETTER.IT HAS BEEN 8 WEEKS AND I AM 95% BETTER WITH NO MEDS TO HELP ME THROUGH IT.DEPRESSTION IS A BIG PART OF ASPARTAME POSION.IT WAS WITH ME.ANY ONE THAT USES ASPARTAME JUST TAKE THE TEST TO SEE.IT MITE JUST SAVE YOUR LIFE LIKE IT DID ME..M.D AFTER MD HAS SAID ASPARTAME IS A DEADLY TOXIC AFTER IT ENTERS A BODY.DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT JUST SIT ASPARTAME OF ANY FORM ON THE COUNTER AND LET IT GET ROOM TEMP AND HAVE IT TESTED TO SEE IF GOES TOXIC. CHECK FOR YOUR SELF!!!!!!!!
I AM LIVING PROOF THAT ASPARTAME WAS KILLING ME WITH HEADACHES DIZZYNESS,FALLING DOWN,COULD NOT WALK FOR A WHILE,COULD NOT THINK.IT ACTACTED MY BRAIN.I COULD NOT REMEMBER THINGS FROM THE DAY BEFORE.MY PAIN WAS SO BAD.I GOT WHERE I COULD NOT SEE MUCH OR HEAR.MY LEGGS SWELLED.MY HANDS AND FEET SPLIT..LOSS OF MY HAIR.I COULD NOT COMPERHEND.MY MIND WAS LIKE A CLOUD FOR ALMOST 2 YEARS SOME DOCTORS COULD NOT FIND OUT WHAT WAS WRONG WITH ME THEY THOUGHT I HAD A STROKE AT ONE TIME AND THEN THEY THOUGHT I HAD ataxiay cerebilitis OF THE BRAIN.they SAID THAT SHOULD LAST ABOUT 6 MONTHS.WHEN 6 MONTHS WENT BY I WAS WORSE..AND KEPT GETTING WORSE..THE DOCTORS COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING THAT HAD ALL MY SYMTOMS IN IT.ONE DAY DOCTOR RUSSELL BLACKLOCK M.D. WAS TELLING ABOUT ASPARTAME ON A PROGRAM AND GAVE A WEBSITE TO READ.I WENT THERE AND SURE NOUGH THERE WAS ALL MY SYMTOMS LISTED ALL OF THEM UNDER ASPARTAME.I WENT TO MY DOCTOR WITH IT AND HE AGREED THAT WAS WHAT I HAD WITH DIFF TESTING.MY DOCTOR HAD DID A RESEARCH A WHILE BACK ON ASPARTAME.HE KNEW A LOT ABOUT IT.SO I WAS TOLD NOT TO TAKE IN ANY MORE ASPARTAME FOR 60 TO 90 DAYS TO SEE IF I GET BETTER.IT HAS BEEN 8 WEEKS AND I AM 95% BETTER WITH NO MEDS TO HELP ME THROUGH IT.DEPRESSTION IS A BIG PART OF ASPARTAME POSION.IT WAS WITH ME.ANY ONE THAT USES ASPARTAME JUST TAKE THE TEST TO SEE.IT MITE JUST SAVE YOUR LIFE LIKE IT DID ME..M.D AFTER MD HAS SAID ASPARTAME IS A DEADLY TOXIC AFTER IT ENTERS A BODY.DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT JUST SIT ASPARTAME OF ANY FORM ON THE COUNTER AND LET IT GET ROOM TEMP AND HAVE IT TESTED TO SEE IF GOES TOXIC. CHECK FOR YOUR SELF!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Dr. Betty Martini, D.Hum, Duluth, Georgia on 7:21am Mon 26 Mar 07
Of course aspartame can precipitate MS. Here is neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock's paper on it: http://www.wnho.net/ms_and_aspartame.htm Secondly, its on the front cover of the medical text, Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic by H. J. Roberts, M.D., 1 800 827 7991. There is a whole chapter on the aspartame and MS connection. Thirdly, there is even a movie, Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World which you can get on Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Cori Brackett who produced the film with J. T. Waldren was diagnosed with MS with a very large lesion. Eight months off aspartame her lesion had all but disappeared. She walked out of her wheelchair to make this film and alert the world. On www.dorway.com you can scroll down to experts and also read Dr. Roberts paper, MS or Aspartame Disease? He says even if the patient has small lesions a diagnosis should not be made until the patient is off aspartame for several months. It is a GM product and
As to cancer, the Ramazzini Study in Italy in 2005 showed aspartame to be a multipotential carcinogen confirming original studies. The molecule breaks down to DKP, a brain tumor agent. The Bressler Report on www.dorway.com explains how they were excising the brain tumors from the rats and then putting them back in study. When they died they resurrected them on paper. If you read Board of Inquiry report on WNHO you will see that besides the fact aspartame can never be proven safe it mentions the brain tumors. FDA toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross, told Congress in l987 that aspasrtame violated the Delaney Amendments because without a shadow of a doubt aspartame can produce brain tumors and brain cancer. His last words will ever be remembered, "And if the FDA violates it own laws who is left to protect the public? Aspartame was marketed for human consumption when Don Rumsfeld "called in his markers". The FDA list contains over 92 documented symptoms from 4 types of seizures to coma and death. This toxin is a GM product grown in E coli bacteria. Neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D. wrote Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills and discusses MS and lupus.
Of course aspartame can precipitate MS. Here is neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock's paper on it: http://www.wnho.net/ms_and_aspartame.htm Secondly, its on the front cover of the medical text, Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic by H. J. Roberts, M.D., 1 800 827 7991. There is a whole chapter on the aspartame and MS connection. Thirdly, there is even a movie, Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World which you can get on Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Cori Brackett who produced the film with J. T. Waldren was diagnosed with MS with a very large lesion. Eight months off aspartame her lesion had all but disappeared. She walked out of her wheelchair to make this film and alert the world. On www.dorway.com you can scroll down to experts and also read Dr. Roberts paper, MS or Aspartame Disease? He says even if the patient has small lesions a diagnosis should not be made until the patient is off aspartame for several months. It is a GM product and
As to cancer, the Ramazzini Study in Italy in 2005 showed aspartame to be a multipotential carcinogen confirming original studies. The molecule breaks down to DKP, a brain tumor agent. The Bressler Report on www.dorway.com explains how they were excising the brain tumors from the rats and then putting them back in study. When they died they resurrected them on paper. If you read Board of Inquiry report on WNHO you will see that besides the fact aspartame can never be proven safe it mentions the brain tumors. FDA toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross, told Congress in l987 that aspasrtame violated the Delaney Amendments because without a shadow of a doubt aspartame can produce brain tumors and brain cancer. His last words will ever be remembered, "And if the FDA violates it own laws who is left to protect the public? Aspartame was marketed for human consumption when Don Rumsfeld "called in his markers". The FDA list contains over 92 documented symptoms from 4 types of seizures to coma and death. This toxin is a GM product grown in E coli bacteria. Neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D. wrote Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills and discusses MS and lupus.
Posted by: Alex, Scarborough UK on 8:27am Mon 26 Mar 07
Aspartame is the single most poisonous substance ever to be allowed into the food chain.
Bush may be stupid, but I would put this down to his constant drinking of Diet Croak. Obviously Simon Stuart knows nothing about Aspartame and its many side effects - as such, he should not be making uneducated comments on it. Perhaps he is also an aspartame addict. As for the claim that the greatest information source being 'full of rubbish', that is where I found this article.
Simon, When it comes to knowing about aspartame, you are totally wrong. It is ignorance like yours that is making this world ill.
No one is immune to chemical poisoning - No One!
Search for "EDM 1517" or "Aspartame 92". You will get a house of commons motion to have it banned and a list of the 92 side effects as listed by the Food and Drugs Administration of America.
Don't die of ignorance and do not tell others it is a safe chemical.
Aspartame is the single most poisonous substance ever to be allowed into the food chain.
Bush may be stupid, but I would put this down to his constant drinking of Diet Croak. Obviously Simon Stuart knows nothing about Aspartame and its many side effects - as such, he should not be making uneducated comments on it. Perhaps he is also an aspartame addict. As for the claim that the greatest information source being 'full of rubbish', that is where I found this article.
Simon, When it comes to knowing about aspartame, you are totally wrong. It is ignorance like yours that is making this world ill.
No one is immune to chemical poisoning - No One!
Search for "EDM 1517" or "Aspartame 92". You will get a house of commons motion to have it banned and a list of the 92 side effects as listed by the Food and Drugs Administration of America.
Don't die of ignorance and do not tell others it is a safe chemical.
Posted by: Nige, france on 9:01am Mon 26 Mar 07
What evidence have you to state that Bush has not got the lowest IQ of all the presidents of the USA..I believe that the vast majority of the population of this planet would disagree.
What evidence have you to state that Bush has not got the lowest IQ of all the presidents of the USA..I believe that the vast majority of the population of this planet would disagree.
Posted by: Jim Scullion, Ayr on 9:19am Mon 26 Mar 07
Simon Stuart parades his ignorance as though it were a virtue. What value has a piece of this nature when it was written by someone who doesn't even know the difference between the Internet and the World Wide Web?
I'm disappointed that the Herald published this nonsense.
Simon Stuart parades his ignorance as though it were a virtue. What value has a piece of this nature when it was written by someone who doesn't even know the difference between the Internet and the World Wide Web?
I'm disappointed that the Herald published this nonsense.
Posted by: Simon Stuart, Glasgow on 12:00pm Mon 26 Mar 07
Jim in Ayr: I'm well aware of the difference between the internet and the world-wide web, but the former has become semantic shorthand for the latter, whether you agree with that or not. If you want to elaborate on my "ignorance", please do.
Nige: you might well be right. But there is no proof of this; no recorded evidence of every president's IQ. So the oft-repeated rumour I highlight in my piece is disingenuous, and repeating it does those who oppose Bush and pretty much everything he stands for - such as myself - a disservice.
As for aspartame: please, people, go back and read the piece again. The rumour I cite is that "aspartame has been [bold]proved[/bold] responsible for an [bold]epidemic[/bold] of cancer and multiple sclerosis".
This, by anyone's standards, is simply not the case. No matter what you believe or campaign vehemently for, there is no proof at this point in time. Nor has there been any epidemic.
I'm not an apologist for aspartame; nor is it a subject on which I have strong opinions. It was a carefully chosen example to illustrate the increasing blurring between opinion and fact found on the internet.
(Dr Martini: I'm well aware of your many writings upon this matter since 1995. I'll leave it to readers to research your work, which I do believe is well-intentioned, and make up their minds about wild-eyed pronouncements about "ASPARTAME DISEASE" (your caps, in many previous cases) for themselves".)
I'm not saying aspartame is safe or unsafe (again, this annoys me: already words are being put into my mouth). Many substances, natural and synthesised, have side-effects and will affect certain people differently. Aspartame studies will no doubt continue; this is important. What we consume should be monitored.
But what I'm saying - and I'll repeat it - is that aspartame has not been [bold]proved[/bold] responsible for an [bold]epidemic[/bold] of anything. This is undeniably the case ... some of the arguments I've heard since this piece was published, particularly the one accusing me of being some kind of apologist in the pay of the sinister international sweetner industry, simply go to prove my point.
Jim in Ayr: I'm well aware of the difference between the internet and the world-wide web, but the former has become semantic shorthand for the latter, whether you agree with that or not. If you want to elaborate on my "ignorance", please do.
Nige: you might well be right. But there is no proof of this; no recorded evidence of every president's IQ. So the oft-repeated rumour I highlight in my piece is disingenuous, and repeating it does those who oppose Bush and pretty much everything he stands for - such as myself - a disservice.
As for aspartame: please, people, go back and read the piece again. The rumour I cite is that "aspartame has been
proved responsible for an
epidemic of cancer and multiple sclerosis".
This, by anyone's standards, is simply not the case. No matter what you believe or campaign vehemently for, there is no proof at this point in time. Nor has there been any epidemic.
I'm not an apologist for aspartame; nor is it a subject on which I have strong opinions. It was a carefully chosen example to illustrate the increasing blurring between opinion and fact found on the internet.
(Dr Martini: I'm well aware of your many writings upon this matter since 1995. I'll leave it to readers to research your work, which I do believe is well-intentioned, and make up their minds about wild-eyed pronouncements about "ASPARTAME DISEASE" (your caps, in many previous cases) for themselves".)
I'm not saying aspartame is safe or unsafe (again, this annoys me: already words are being put into my mouth). Many substances, natural and synthesised, have side-effects and will affect certain people differently. Aspartame studies will no doubt continue; this is important. What we consume should be monitored.
But what I'm saying - and I'll repeat it - is that aspartame has not been
proved responsible for an
epidemic of anything. This is undeniably the case ... some of the arguments I've heard since this piece was published, particularly the one accusing me of being some kind of apologist in the pay of the sinister international sweetner industry, simply go to prove my point.
Posted by: Alex (again), Scarborough on 12:17pm Mon 26 Mar 07
Thank you for your reply Simon.
Aspartame has been proved to cause many problems. Sadly, the makers of this chemical paid for it to be approved. Any / every independent test has been ignored or denied by government. All 'proof' is quickly ignored.
As for your use of the word 'epidemic', perhaps you underestimate the dangers of this chemical. It is rife, throughout the world so that is epidemic proportion. It causes many medical problems, including Cancer and MS. So how can you deny that it is responsible?
The sooner this chemical is banned, the better.
Thank you for your reply Simon.
Aspartame has been proved to cause many problems. Sadly, the makers of this chemical paid for it to be approved. Any / every independent test has been ignored or denied by government. All 'proof' is quickly ignored.
As for your use of the word 'epidemic', perhaps you underestimate the dangers of this chemical. It is rife, throughout the world so that is epidemic proportion. It causes many medical problems, including Cancer and MS. So how can you deny that it is responsible?
The sooner this chemical is banned, the better.
Posted by: Merry Kay, Kansas on 12:40pm Mon 26 Mar 07
I really would like to know where in the world some get their misinformation. Aspartame kills. I was lucky to have my Cardiologist
in-house last summer when I suffered 2 heart attacks from aspartame.
I've been terribly ill for several years. Since starting to detox from aspartame, my illnesses are starting to receed. I was in a coma for 4 days last summer. The police were hanging around waiting for my final demise from aspartame poisoning to charge my husband and granddaughter for my murder. What do you need to prove how many
young people drop dead on practice fields every year from consuming aspartame, then raising their body temperatures to above 86 degrees and making their bodies toxic from the heat-induced morphing of any product that contains aspartame. If you don't believe aspartame kills, come spend some time with my family, with my doctors, with the 14-16 doctors who worked 6-7 hours
to stabilize me enough to transfer me to ICU and then still wait for my death. I have documentation, do you? I was near dead, have you been? Visit people who have been before making such an irresponsible statement. Anyone who reads this, please save yourselves, your loved-ones and anyone you can. Just tell them
ASPARTAME KILLS
I really would like to know where in the world some get their misinformation. Aspartame kills. I was lucky to have my Cardiologist
in-house last summer when I suffered 2 heart attacks from aspartame.
I've been terribly ill for several years. Since starting to detox from aspartame, my illnesses are starting to receed. I was in a coma for 4 days last summer. The police were hanging around waiting for my final demise from aspartame poisoning to charge my husband and granddaughter for my murder. What do you need to prove how many
young people drop dead on practice fields every year from consuming aspartame, then raising their body temperatures to above 86 degrees and making their bodies toxic from the heat-induced morphing of any product that contains aspartame. If you don't believe aspartame kills, come spend some time with my family, with my doctors, with the 14-16 doctors who worked 6-7 hours
to stabilize me enough to transfer me to ICU and then still wait for my death. I have documentation, do you? I was near dead, have you been? Visit people who have been before making such an irresponsible statement. Anyone who reads this, please save yourselves, your loved-ones and anyone you can. Just tell them
ASPARTAME KILLS
Posted by: Merry Kay, Kansas on 1:31pm Mon 26 Mar 07
Please pardon me for misspeaking. The aspartame drink is first iced then after consumed heated to 86 plus degrees in the body at which time it become lethal, toxic, a killer.
Please pardon me for misspeaking. The aspartame drink is first iced then after consumed heated to 86 plus degrees in the body at which time it become lethal, toxic, a killer.
Posted by: Alex (again), Scarborough on 6:34pm Mon 26 Mar 07
Merry,
According to Simon, Aspartame has not been 'proved' as the cause. No matter what you have experienced - there are many many deaf ears out there. Sadly they have no intention of believing you.
[italic]Aspartame was a random example; I'm glad I picked it, actually, because the two responses I've had about it so far pretty much prove my point about misinformation.
[/italic]
That is the level of reply you get. You have been 'misinformed' about your illness.
Yeah, like heck.
Merry,
According to Simon, Aspartame has not been 'proved' as the cause. No matter what you have experienced - there are many many deaf ears out there. Sadly they have no intention of believing you.
Aspartame was a random example; I'm glad I picked it, actually, because the two responses I've had about it so far pretty much prove my point about misinformation.
That is the level of reply you get. You have been 'misinformed' about your illness.
Yeah, like heck.
Posted by: Dr. James Currie, Calgary, Alberta Canada on 7:35pm Mon 26 Mar 07
There are always crackpots out there.
Aspartame doesn't kill. Don't be so ridiculous. Evidently something did damage your brain if you believe in false scares like this.
As to Bush, it would be comforting to think he's dumb rather than just the most flawed man ever to occupy the White House. Maybe he's been drinking aspartame!
There are always crackpots out there.
Aspartame doesn't kill. Don't be so ridiculous. Evidently something did damage your brain if you believe in false scares like this.
As to Bush, it would be comforting to think he's dumb rather than just the most flawed man ever to occupy the White House. Maybe he's been drinking aspartame!
Posted by: Nicola., Adelaide, South Australia. on 11:06pm Mon 26 Mar 07
On the subject of Aspartame, who's site would your Internet wide Accuracy Commission approve? The site that states the consumption of Aspartame has been proven to be safe.
As this is not true you would be going against what you set out to achive.
Without the many sites letting people know about the dangers of Aspartame average people like myself would still be suffering.
There are too many people with debilitating symptoms who stop using Aspartame and find a dramatic change in their health to ignore that there is a problem. To these people it is proof that Aspartame is not safe, and should be taken out of the food chain.
No one can force you to beleive that Aspartame is poisoning people who consume it, but people need to be informed to make their own choice.
On the subject of Aspartame, who's site would your Internet wide Accuracy Commission approve? The site that states the consumption of Aspartame has been proven to be safe.
As this is not true you would be going against what you set out to achive.
Without the many sites letting people know about the dangers of Aspartame average people like myself would still be suffering.
There are too many people with debilitating symptoms who stop using Aspartame and find a dramatic change in their health to ignore that there is a problem. To these people it is proof that Aspartame is not safe, and should be taken out of the food chain.
No one can force you to beleive that Aspartame is poisoning people who consume it, but people need to be informed to make their own choice.
Posted by: Simon Stuart, Glasgow on 11:59pm Mon 26 Mar 07
I reiterate: no [bold]proof[/bold] of [bold]responsibility for[/bold] an [bold]epidemic[/bold] of [bold]cancer and MS[/bold].
I reiterate: no
proof of
responsibility for an
epidemic of
cancer and MS.
Posted by: sharon, south carolina, USA on 4:32am Tue 27 Mar 07
Simon, since you seem to be so sure that aspartame is not harmful, why don't you try it for a few months. Try to make sure that it gets heated so you can get it's full toxic effects. And just for added effects, make sure the food you consume contains MSG. Then see how long it takes for you brain to implode.
Simon, since you seem to be so sure that aspartame is not harmful, why don't you try it for a few months. Try to make sure that it gets heated so you can get it's full toxic effects. And just for added effects, make sure the food you consume contains MSG. Then see how long it takes for you brain to implode.
Posted by: green eyes on 11:24am Tue 27 Mar 07
I am a little confused.I though the article was about the vast amounts of mis-information on the internet, and thus potentially misleading people (although I think people that take as read everything the read on the internet are either, children, niave, or very, very stupid).
I think the comment about aspartame was just as an example for those of you that appear to have missed the point. I am no doctor but if aspartame is as dangerous as many of you claim, maybe think about cutting it from your diet?
Simon, I think your article is intelligent and well written, and I think that the standard of discussion here kind of proves your point....
I am a little confused.I though the article was about the vast amounts of mis-information on the internet, and thus potentially misleading people (although I think people that take as read everything the read on the internet are either, children, niave, or very, very stupid).
I think the comment about aspartame was just as an example for those of you that appear to have missed the point. I am no doctor but if aspartame is as dangerous as many of you claim, maybe think about cutting it from your diet?
Simon, I think your article is intelligent and well written, and I think that the standard of discussion here kind of proves your point....
Posted by: Iain Stuart, Perth (Scotland) on 3:19pm Tue 27 Mar 07
The discussion so far suggests that aspartame is a bizarrely stimulating substance. Interesting, but totally irrelevant to your piece. I like your idea because I hope tighter quality control would in time reduce the amount of misleading, time-wasting and dangerous junk that appears on many internet sites. That in turn might remind people of the value and the joy of "old-fashioned" tactile reference sources such as books, journals and newspapers - so reducing the incidence of computer-related maladies such as eye-strain, headaches, RSI and brain-rot.
The discussion so far suggests that aspartame is a bizarrely stimulating substance. Interesting, but totally irrelevant to your piece. I like your idea because I hope tighter quality control would in time reduce the amount of misleading, time-wasting and dangerous junk that appears on many internet sites. That in turn might remind people of the value and the joy of "old-fashioned" tactile reference sources such as books, journals and newspapers - so reducing the incidence of computer-related maladies such as eye-strain, headaches, RSI and brain-rot.
Posted by: Craig, Glasgow on 5:03pm Tue 27 Mar 07
I was rather surprised by your iWac idea in today's paper, which calls
for volunteers to rate websites on trustworthiness, then berates
Wikipedia for its untrustworthiness due to its reliance on volunteers.
As I am sure the author of the piece is aware, volunteers also run
sites such as Conservapedia, which has a right-wing bias, and
volunteers are also behind the Internet Movie Database, which is
recommended in the piece.
I am also surprised to see that newspapers in general are lauded for
trustworthiness since they are "checked and vouched for by editors",
but I am sure you and your readers are aware of heavy bias in many
print publications, which often have to print retractions for stories
they have printed. In this light, it seems that the trust issue is not
restricted to just the internet.
In general, I have found peer-review to be a good basis for trust, ad
although some discretion is necessary, sites which are trusted by
people whom you yourself trust are more likely to be worthwhile. A
number of internet services, from blogs, to del.icio.us and other
bookmarking sites, to sites such as Slashdot and Digg, are built on a
model that allows you to see who recommends information, and
consequently how trustworthy you can consider it to be. I would
suggest that these are the avenues through which a trust network
should be built rather than asking some arbitrary "trustworthiness
tsar" to rate things for the whole population.
On the issue of Aspartame, which seems to have consumed and diverted this thread, I would posit this question: How do you know who to trust? Do you trust the companies that funded its research? The government bodies that approved it for use? The GPs who require a breadth of knowledge on many topic which prevents them from gaining a deeper understanding of any particular illness (that's what specialist are for, after all)? The truth is that it is always a fallacy to rely on a single source of information, and you need to know the background to the author(s) and why they are interested in a topic. No "truth tsar" will be able to give you that.
I was rather surprised by your iWac idea in today's paper, which calls
for volunteers to rate websites on trustworthiness, then berates
Wikipedia for its untrustworthiness due to its reliance on volunteers.
As I am sure the author of the piece is aware, volunteers also run
sites such as Conservapedia, which has a right-wing bias, and
volunteers are also behind the Internet Movie Database, which is
recommended in the piece.
I am also surprised to see that newspapers in general are lauded for
trustworthiness since they are "checked and vouched for by editors",
but I am sure you and your readers are aware of heavy bias in many
print publications, which often have to print retractions for stories
they have printed. In this light, it seems that the trust issue is not
restricted to just the internet.
In general, I have found peer-review to be a good basis for trust, ad
although some discretion is necessary, sites which are trusted by
people whom you yourself trust are more likely to be worthwhile. A
number of internet services, from blogs, to del.icio.us and other
bookmarking sites, to sites such as Slashdot and Digg, are built on a
model that allows you to see who recommends information, and
consequently how trustworthy you can consider it to be. I would
suggest that these are the avenues through which a trust network
should be built rather than asking some arbitrary "trustworthiness
tsar" to rate things for the whole population.
On the issue of Aspartame, which seems to have consumed and diverted this thread, I would posit this question: How do you know who to trust? Do you trust the companies that funded its research? The government bodies that approved it for use? The GPs who require a breadth of knowledge on many topic which prevents them from gaining a deeper understanding of any particular illness (that's what specialist are for, after all)? The truth is that it is always a fallacy to rely on a single source of information, and you need to know the background to the author(s) and why they are interested in a topic. No "truth tsar" will be able to give you that.
Posted by: Teresa, Tennessee on 1:38am Thu 29 Mar 07
Well, Simon...I sure wish would inform my body of this great piece of news! As I have stopped drinking or eating anything with aspartame in it since my cousin was tested and found to have aspartame poisoning. Of course this was after spending over a year in a wheelchair! I scared me enough to stop and alot of the medical problems I have had in the last 15 years...are going away! Imagine that! Yet...I sure wish you were right...I sure miss my Diet Pepsi! But I sure love my "new" working body!!!!
Well, Simon...I sure wish would inform my body of this great piece of news! As I have stopped drinking or eating anything with aspartame in it since my cousin was tested and found to have aspartame poisoning. Of course this was after spending over a year in a wheelchair! I scared me enough to stop and alot of the medical problems I have had in the last 15 years...are going away! Imagine that! Yet...I sure wish you were right...I sure miss my Diet Pepsi! But I sure love my "new" working body!!!!
Posted by: margaret russell, brisbane, australia on 9:18am Thu 29 Mar 07
you people are absolutely UNBELIEVABLE.!!!
I am writing a book on this subject - have had 52 symptoms of the 92 known worldwide from this foul substance...have literally educated thousands of people over the past 3 and almost one half years - many of whom have seen me in the street and PERSONALLY and PUBLICLY thanked me for their improving health after being warned off it - want a list of MY medical symptoms? just email me and ask! anyone wo purveys THIS CRAP should be held accountable for any lives that are lost through taking your advice - do your homework - the people who CLAIM to have done research to PROVE this is safe are the people who stand to PROFIT from its continuing production, sale and use - I don't sell anything, not vitamins, not ANYTHING..I write only to warn others so that they may not get as EXTREMELY ILL as I was!!
you people are absolutely UNBELIEVABLE.!!!
I am writing a book on this subject - have had 52 symptoms of the 92 known worldwide from this foul substance...have literally educated thousands of people over the past 3 and almost one half years - many of whom have seen me in the street and PERSONALLY and PUBLICLY thanked me for their improving health after being warned off it - want a list of MY medical symptoms? just email me and ask! anyone wo purveys THIS CRAP should be held accountable for any lives that are lost through taking your advice - do your homework - the people who CLAIM to have done research to PROVE this is safe are the people who stand to PROFIT from its continuing production, sale and use - I don't sell anything, not vitamins, not ANYTHING..I write only to warn others so that they may not get as EXTREMELY ILL as I was!!
Posted by: Patty Hatfield, Fort Wayne, IN on 2:34pm Sat 31 Mar 07
Simon,
You have opened a real bees nest when you accuse people of not knowing what they are talking about when it comes to aspartame being an epidemic. It is a horrible additive and I know our nation would be so much healthier if it were banned from consumption. My Air Guard son and I have suffered with migraines, vomiting, neuropathy, stomach pain, facial and tongue numbness from it. A best friend has a severely retarded son from her drinking it during her pregnancy-she suffers depression not knowing then what she knows now. The government is not protecting us from big pharma. When you wrote your article you did an awful disservice to people who believe it to be okay. You need to do more research before you put bad information in the public's eye. Thank God for books, SMART doctors, friends, the FAA, the inter net and seminars that I have attended so I can help others who are suffering needlessly because of artificial sweeteners. I think God has put this forward as YOUR chance to do something wonderful by doing further research and put more truth out there to save others. There are thousands who can give their own sad stories--or better yet--hammer down a few diets every day along with diet gum and lots of Crystal Lite and you will have your own personal research.
Patty
Simon,
You have opened a real bees nest when you accuse people of not knowing what they are talking about when it comes to aspartame being an epidemic. It is a horrible additive and I know our nation would be so much healthier if it were banned from consumption. My Air Guard son and I have suffered with migraines, vomiting, neuropathy, stomach pain, facial and tongue numbness from it. A best friend has a severely retarded son from her drinking it during her pregnancy-she suffers depression not knowing then what she knows now. The government is not protecting us from big pharma. When you wrote your article you did an awful disservice to people who believe it to be okay. You need to do more research before you put bad information in the public's eye. Thank God for books, SMART doctors, friends, the FAA, the inter net and seminars that I have attended so I can help others who are suffering needlessly because of artificial sweeteners. I think God has put this forward as YOUR chance to do something wonderful by doing further research and put more truth out there to save others. There are thousands who can give their own sad stories--or better yet--hammer down a few diets every day along with diet gum and lots of Crystal Lite and you will have your own personal research.
Patty
Posted by: Alex Mclintosh, Schottland on 1:18pm Mon 2 Apr 07
Hey, what about fluoridation? I bet there's misinformation about that on the internet, conspiracy nerds. Also: there's a difference between anecdote and proof -- ask your nearest bishop.
Rather than checking the facts on pages for truth, can't we just assess posters and readers? If the readers are capable enough, they'll be able to assess pages sceptically. Let's call it the internet-Wide Anti-Nutter Commission
Hey, what about fluoridation? I bet there's misinformation about that on the internet, conspiracy nerds. Also: there's a difference between anecdote and proof -- ask your nearest bishop.
Rather than checking the facts on pages for truth, can't we just assess posters and readers? If the readers are capable enough, they'll be able to assess pages sceptically. Let's call it the internet-Wide Anti-Nutter Commission
Posted by: kenneth Stenen, Florida on 11:16pm Sun 8 Apr 07
First hand testimonials prove all of the proponents of NUTRAPOISON wrong. I have first hand experience, the so-called-professionals (Doctors) were treating my wife for Rhumatoid Arthritus when "by chance" someone posted an article about "Nutrapoison" on the bulletin board where I worked. My wife stopped drinking diet soda and all her symptoms went away with 2 weeks. That was 13 yrs ago (1996) before it became more common knowlege. To this day if she accidently gets some Aspertame in food or drink by accident she knows the next day when all the aches and pains come back and then go away after a few days when the TOXINS leave her body. This poisen takes awhile to damage your nervous system and body so people can use it for years with no "known" ill effects then BOOM one day it manifests its ugly head. I personally know this as well because it wasn't affecting me at the time (1996) and I had been drinking it for 20 yrs, then 10 yrs later when I started drinking it again it hit me, excruciating hip pain so bad I couldn't sleep or sit in a chair for weeks, "then I remembered" and stopped the diet soday and it all went away. The fools say NO SCIENTIFIC STUDIES PROVE THIS, studies are nothing more the the results documented on "Laboratory RATS", well my freinds [italic]the Laboratory Rats are "US"[/italic] and we are writing our own documented results. [bold]A FOOL IS SOMEONE WHO DISREGARDS THE TRUTH WHEN IT HITS HIM IN THE FACE![/bold]
First hand testimonials prove all of the proponents of NUTRAPOISON wrong. I have first hand experience, the so-called-professionals (Doctors) were treating my wife for Rhumatoid Arthritus when "by chance" someone posted an article about "Nutrapoison" on the bulletin board where I worked. My wife stopped drinking diet soda and all her symptoms went away with 2 weeks. That was 13 yrs ago (1996) before it became more common knowlege. To this day if she accidently gets some Aspertame in food or drink by accident she knows the next day when all the aches and pains come back and then go away after a few days when the TOXINS leave her body. This poisen takes awhile to damage your nervous system and body so people can use it for years with no "known" ill effects then BOOM one day it manifests its ugly head. I personally know this as well because it wasn't affecting me at the time (1996) and I had been drinking it for 20 yrs, then 10 yrs later when I started drinking it again it hit me, excruciating hip pain so bad I couldn't sleep or sit in a chair for weeks, "then I remembered" and stopped the diet soday and it all went away. The fools say NO SCIENTIFIC STUDIES PROVE THIS, studies are nothing more the the results documented on "Laboratory RATS", well my freinds
the Laboratory Rats are "US" and we are writing our own documented results.
A FOOL IS SOMEONE WHO DISREGARDS THE TRUTH WHEN IT HITS HIM IN THE FACE! Posted by: Janet Taylor, Minneosta on 12:43pm Mon 7 May 07
I suffered terribly from aspartame - tons of Neurological problems including daily headaches, numbness, temporary blindness, itching without rash and more. When I quit my blood pressure went down 10 to 20 points over night, you will never convince me that aspartame isn't killing people. My brother had a major stroke and his doctor told him to stay away from aspartame because of it's effect on blood pressure. I would rather see a person smoke then to use this poison.
I suffered terribly from aspartame - tons of Neurological problems including daily headaches, numbness, temporary blindness, itching without rash and more. When I quit my blood pressure went down 10 to 20 points over night, you will never convince me that aspartame isn't killing people. My brother had a major stroke and his doctor told him to stay away from aspartame because of it's effect on blood pressure. I would rather see a person smoke then to use this poison.