The 9/11 conspiracy: secrets, lies and a global campaign
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| SEEKING TRUTH: William Rodriguez, below, survived the 9/11 disaster. Pics - Gordon Terris/AP |
THE annals of American history had already reserved a place for William Rodriguez, but he was not content with a mere footnote.
The 43-year-old former New York janitor claims to have been the last man out of the north tower of the World Trade Centre before it imploded on September 11, 2001. Just moments before the tower's final destruction, Rodriguez assisted firemen and rescue crew in saving hundreds of lives. But for the Puerto Rican, the experience also marked the beginning of a life-changing journey - or, in his words, "a quest for the truth".
Rodriguez has become the poster boy for a movement currently sweeping the globe, which claims the official story of what happened on 9/11 - that four US airlines were hijacked by Osama bin Laden's
terrorists to attack Western civilisation - is a pack of lies. These activists, who call themselves the 9/11 Truth Campaign, believe the real version of events has been hidden and are convinced that the worst terrorist attack on US soil was perpetrated to justify aggressive US foreign policy in the Middle East.
Partly because he was an eye-witness to the day's events, Rodriguez's testimony plays a key role in giving credence to the allegations of the 9/11 Truth campaign. In the past five years, he has, in effect, turned evangelist for this conspiracy movement, assuming celebrity status among supporters as he travels around the globe lecturing to millions on what he saw and heard on that fateful day.
With the 9/11 Truth Campaign, he insists that both towers were subject to a controlled explosion; and that, moments before the north tower was hit by a plane, he and colleagues heard an explosion underneath their office. This initial explosion was then
followed by other bombs. This same version of events is peddled by Loose Change, a 90-minute internet movie made by three American men, which has been watched by an estimated 100 million viewers around the globe. The film, a blitz of statistics, photographs, eyewitness accounts and testimonies, argues that the fire in the towers was not hot enough to melt their steel frames and that they fell too quickly.
Regardless of whether you believe him, Rodriguez's voyage is an extraordinary one. Since 9/11, he has gone from being an establishment figure, taken into the bosom of the Republican party and even groomed for political office, to one who is now considered a maverick in these same quarters. Yet he remains committed to what he calls "a just and truthful cause".
"People say they don't believe in conspiracy theories, and I say neither do I. But I was there that day. I was an eyewitness," he says.
During his talks, he regales predominantly sympathetic audiences with his version of events, as well as tales of the trials he has faced since, including an attempted assassination in Venezuela where he was speaking on behalf of the 9/11 Truth Campaign.
"I turned up half an hour late
for work on the morning of 9/11," he says. "Normally I started at 8am, and at 8.30am I would have been having breakfast with colleagues on the 106th floor. But that day I came in at 8.30am because I had phoned in earlier to say I was sick and wasn't coming in at all. My boss, however, asked me to come in because they had no-one to do my job."
Rodriguez, who had worked at the north tower for 20 years, had responsibility for the maintenance of the three stairwells within it: A, B and C. On a typical morning, he would finish breakfast and then begin at the top of the building and work his way down, ensuring everything was clean and in working order. Just before
the first plane struck the tower at 8.46am, he was in an office with colleagues on the building's first sub-level when he says they heard "a massive explosion".
"The floor vibrated. We were all thrown upwards, then everyone in the office started screaming. Then we heard another noise, the impact of the plane. It was two different events, separated by a fraction of time. It was a miracle I was there and not in the restaurant," he says.
As only one of five people who held a master key, which opened doors to the stairwells, Rodriguez took it upon himself to begin opening the emergency exits so people could escape. "Nobody wanted to go back into the tower apart from me. I said, We've got to go back in and start saving these people'. So I started doing just that. I let firemen in and together we made our way up the tower's stairwells, opening the emergency exit doors," he says.
| People say they don’t believe in conspiracy theories, and I say neither do I. | | William Rodriguez |
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Before he did this, Rodriguez recalls, he rescued two people who were stuck in an elevator shaft. Regardless of the danger, he says, he was determined to continue. To this end, he went back into the tower three times after it had been struck and led a further 15 people to safety, one of whom was a paraplegic. He survived the building's collapse by seconds, finding refuge underneath a fire truck. After receiving medical attention for injuries, Rodriguez spent the remainder of the day as a volunteer in the rescue effort, and returned the following morning to help with the clean-up.
FOLLOWING the events of 9/11, Rodriguez was treated as a hero. "Every politician wanted to have their photo taken with me," he says. Among those were Hillary Clinton and President George W Bush. "The Republicans offered me funding to go to politics," he says. "They offered me thousands of dollars of campaign money. They were trying to get the Hispanic vote and saw me as a clear candidate to do that. I was part of the whole party machinery, until I started to ask questions."
Those "questions" primarily
concerned how differently the
official explanation of events compared with his own and with that of his friends. He is also highly critical of the 9/11 Commission, which started out, he insists, by accepting the official record of events and only included evidence which supported this. "Any contradictory evidence was destroyed or ignored, including testimonies of myself, firemen and others who were there at the time and heard explosions," he claims.
So instead of playing ball with the Republicans, Rodriguez established the Hispanic Victims Group, joined the 9/11 Truth Campaign and worked with the families of victims and injured survivors. He also spent hours testifying - "in secret", he says - in front of the official 9/11 Commission, although his testimony never made it into the report.
"We just wanted to know what happened that day. For me, it's been about the families from the beginning. The official story is simply not true and I'm not the only one who is saying it."
WHEN you consider Rodriguez's testimony, the fundamental question is not whether you believe the official story or not, but whether his version of events is convincing enough. It is beyond doubt that he and his supporters believe his recollection with fervent conviction. However, like so many conspiracy theories, the theory itself is let down by its proponents. During a recent lecture in Glasgow, Rodriguez appealed to the crowd to "examine the evidence". Yet the only evidence put forward in two hours of discussion was his own testimony - and it was clear he was out to convince our hearts as well as our minds. As he described the importance of being a master key holder, he pulled a key from his inside pocket like a magician revealing a vanished coin (incidentally, he used to be a magician before becoming a janitor). He wielded the key triumphantly as if showing us a vital piece of evidence. Of course, for all we knew it could have been the key to his drinks cabinet or front door. Nevertheless, the prop received its intended reaction - gasps of disbelief and wonder. But he had clouded the issue with unnecessary razzmatazz.
Likewise, when explaining how he was the only master key holder to have stayed in the building to aid the evacuation effort, his appeals of "Don't blame them. Don't judge them" seemed crass and insincere. As if we were not going to judge them while we were staring a living, breathing "hero" in the face.
To a seasoned conspiracy buff (and, let's face it, who doesn't love a conspiracy theory?) there was, disappointingly, a vague sense of familiarity about all the unusual behaviour - being late for work for the first time in 20 years; missing testimonies; and mysterious events on the 34th floor (Rodriguez claims he heard the sound of heavy equipment being moved around when
he was rescuing workers from the
33rd floor, but this is interesting only because the 34th floor was supposed to be empty).
Yet, frankly, what conspiracy
theory doesn't have such elements?
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Posted by: Charles York, Sydney, Australia on 1:52am Fri 16 Feb 07
I think Rodriguez may have been referring to examining the numerous unanswered basic questions that revolve around the fateful day. Examples - Why have we not heard from Marvin Bush, Georges brother, who was a principal for the company in charge of security for the World Trade Center? Why did WTC, building 7 come down at 5.20pm on the same day. It had not been hit by an airplane and did not have significant fires in it. It fell with the exact characteristics of controlled demolition and at free fall speed. All 3 buildings were owned by the same man, Larry Silverstein
who fortunately had recently insured them all against terrorist attacks.
I think Rodriguez may have been referring to examining the numerous unanswered basic questions that revolve around the fateful day. Examples - Why have we not heard from Marvin Bush, Georges brother, who was a principal for the company in charge of security for the World Trade Center? Why did WTC, building 7 come down at 5.20pm on the same day. It had not been hit by an airplane and did not have significant fires in it. It fell with the exact characteristics of controlled demolition and at free fall speed. All 3 buildings were owned by the same man, Larry Silverstein
who fortunately had recently insured them all against terrorist attacks.
Posted by: George Washington, U.S.A. on 2:02am Fri 16 Feb 07
Mr. Rodriguez is photogenic. See http://www.911forthetruth.com/William%27s%20pics/album2/WilliamBush2.html (he's the guy on the left of President Bush in the foreground). It is disappointing that the Herald uses the only unflattering photo I have ever seen of Mr. Rodriguez.
Mr. Rodriguez is photogenic. See http://www.911forthetruth.com/William%27s%20pics/album2/WilliamBush2.html (he's the guy on the left of President Bush in the foreground). It is disappointing that the Herald uses the only unflattering photo I have ever seen of Mr. Rodriguez.
Posted by: 911 Proof, United States on 2:07am Fri 16 Feb 07
Here is PROOF that the official account of 9/11 is false: http://www.911proof.com
Here is PROOF that the official account of 9/11 is false: http://www.911proof.com
Posted by: anti, stockholm, sweden on 2:25am Fri 16 Feb 07
wake up people! criminal elements within your goverment are enslaving you. they only used this as a means to invade afghanistan and iraq. don't be fooled by the controlled media, wake up and smell the napalm! www.infowars.com
wake up people! criminal elements within your goverment are enslaving you. they only used this as a means to invade afghanistan and iraq. don't be fooled by the controlled media, wake up and smell the napalm! www.infowars.com
Posted by: James Elroy, New York City on 2:51am Fri 16 Feb 07
Goodness, how much gibberish must we listen to. Rodriguez is now a white collar worker, paid by the "truther" industry to lecture the world on how Islamofascists weren't "smart" enough to carry off the 9/11/01 attacks. No need to go back to work as a janitor now. He's an expert on building demolition, structural engineering and countercultural motivation. Good for him.
But it still remains that 99.9% of the claims made by the "truthers" have been completely debunked. Of course, if one listens to Rodriguez and his clan, the debunkers are all "in on it."
If Mr. Rodriguez can prove he was the last person out of the WTC I'll
buy him a gold watch.
Goodness, how much gibberish must we listen to. Rodriguez is now a white collar worker, paid by the "truther" industry to lecture the world on how Islamofascists weren't "smart" enough to carry off the 9/11/01 attacks. No need to go back to work as a janitor now. He's an expert on building demolition, structural engineering and countercultural motivation. Good for him.
But it still remains that 99.9% of the claims made by the "truthers" have been completely debunked. Of course, if one listens to Rodriguez and his clan, the debunkers are all "in on it."
If Mr. Rodriguez can prove he was the last person out of the WTC I'll
buy him a gold watch.
Posted by: RIk on 2:51am Fri 16 Feb 07
The testimony of Mr. Rodriguez is (contrary to what's being said in this article) substantiated by the evidence.
http://www.journalof911studies.org/volume/200609/SeismicFurlong.doc
There were seismic spikes BEFORE the impact of the planes.
9/11 TRUTH NOW!!
The testimony of Mr. Rodriguez is (contrary to what's being said in this article) substantiated by the evidence.
http://www.journalof911studies.org/volume/200609/SeismicFurlong.doc
There were seismic spikes BEFORE the impact of the planes.
9/11 TRUTH NOW!!
Posted by: Drew, Seattle, WA on 3:48am Fri 16 Feb 07
I wish the US Media would talk about this more... [bold]9/11 Truth NOW[/bold]
I wish the US Media would talk about this more...
9/11 Truth NOW Posted by: Jimmy Crangle, Thailand on 4:00am Fri 16 Feb 07
So who flew the planes into the twin towers? And what about the pentagon, was that a conspiracy too? Did the American government really arrange to kill it’s own intelligence and army personnel to assist in setting up an invasion of Iraq? Mr. Rodriguez is making a living from telling stories and yet we consider the Muslim fundamentalists to be uneducated fanatics who will believe anything.
So who flew the planes into the twin towers? And what about the pentagon, was that a conspiracy too? Did the American government really arrange to kill it’s own intelligence and army personnel to assist in setting up an invasion of Iraq? Mr. Rodriguez is making a living from telling stories and yet we consider the Muslim fundamentalists to be uneducated fanatics who will believe anything.
Posted by: Edward Rynearson, Chicago on 4:15am Fri 16 Feb 07
The official 9/11 story is so lame, it reminds me of the story of 21 year old Private Jessica Lynch who battled the evil Iraqi devils (they actually heroically saved her life) or the story of NFL football star Pat Tillman who terminated his multi-million dollar contract and joined the rangers to fight the "terrorists" (he was killed by "friendly fire") or the statue of Sadamn being toppled by celebrating citizens (imported CIA Iraqi dudes) or the weapons of mass destruction and the happing Iraqi voters with the purple fingers.
Every component of the post 9/11 was a fabrication . . . it follows that the catalyzing event was also a fabrication.
The "911 Truth Movment" is not a cult. Its tens of millions of people worldwide who are tired of having their lives run by madmen and their weapons of mass destruction.
Humour us poor cultists and answer the questions so we can all go home.
The official 9/11 story is so lame, it reminds me of the story of 21 year old Private Jessica Lynch who battled the evil Iraqi devils (they actually heroically saved her life) or the story of NFL football star Pat Tillman who terminated his multi-million dollar contract and joined the rangers to fight the "terrorists" (he was killed by "friendly fire") or the statue of Sadamn being toppled by celebrating citizens (imported CIA Iraqi dudes) or the weapons of mass destruction and the happing Iraqi voters with the purple fingers.
Every component of the post 9/11 was a fabrication . . . it follows that the catalyzing event was also a fabrication.
The "911 Truth Movment" is not a cult. Its tens of millions of people worldwide who are tired of having their lives run by madmen and their weapons of mass destruction.
Humour us poor cultists and answer the questions so we can all go home.
Posted by: Victronix, California, CA, US on 4:24am Fri 16 Feb 07
[bold]9-11 RESEARCH REVIEW ESSAYS[/bold]
http://911research.wtc7.net
NIST REPORT ANALYSES
Building a Better Mirage: NIST's 3-Year $20,000,000 Cover-Up of the Crime of the Century
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html
The Pentagon Crash: What the Physical Evidence Shows
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html
Sifting Through Loose Change
The 9-11Research Companion to LOOSE CHANGE 2ND EDITION
A detailed point-by-point critique of the film using an illustrated transcript
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
How They Get Away With It
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/HowTheyGetAwayWithIt.html
9-11 RESEARCH REVIEW ESSAYS
http://911research.wtc7.net
NIST REPORT ANALYSES
Building a Better Mirage: NIST's 3-Year $20,000,000 Cover-Up of the Crime of the Century
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html
The Pentagon Crash: What the Physical Evidence Shows
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html
Sifting Through Loose Change
The 9-11Research Companion to LOOSE CHANGE 2ND EDITION
A detailed point-by-point critique of the film using an illustrated transcript
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
How They Get Away With It
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/HowTheyGetAwayWithIt.html
Posted by: Vincent, Amsterdam, The Netherlands on 4:26am Fri 16 Feb 07
1940-1945: "[italic]Wir haben es nicht gewusst[/italic] ." ("We didn't know.")
2001-2006: [italic]Wir haben es nicht wissen wollen[/italic] . (We didn't want to know.)
2007: ?
[bold]Will this be the year when Mankind will finally learn how to prevent history from repeating itself?[/bold]
1940-1945: "
Wir haben es nicht gewusst ." ("We didn't know.")
2001-2006:
Wir haben es nicht wissen wollen . (We didn't want to know.)
2007: ?
Will this be the year when Mankind will finally learn how to prevent history from repeating itself? Posted by: Winston Smith, London on 4:54am Fri 16 Feb 07
Who do you believe, me or your own two eyes? Who do you believe, the hard working janitor whose world literally exploded one September 11th morning or well dressed sociopaths who make their livings selling instruments of death. Do you trust Tony Blair? Do you trust George Bush? Do you trust Dick Cheney? Do you trust Condi Rice? Was the US 2000 election honest?
Who do you believe, me or your own two eyes? Who do you believe, the hard working janitor whose world literally exploded one September 11th morning or well dressed sociopaths who make their livings selling instruments of death. Do you trust Tony Blair? Do you trust George Bush? Do you trust Dick Cheney? Do you trust Condi Rice? Was the US 2000 election honest?
Posted by: Donald Stahl, St. Louis, MO USA on 5:29am Fri 16 Feb 07
What issue did he cloud by holding up a key? Why all the unnecessary denigration?
What issue did he cloud by holding up a key? Why all the unnecessary denigration?
Posted by: Sitting-Bull, Hamburg, Germany on 5:35am Fri 16 Feb 07
Rodriguez testimony about two explosions regarding the first impact on the north tower is supported by audio proof:
http://911digitalarchive.org/sonicmedia//repository/media/child_864.mp3
Q: As best as you can recall, exactly how many seconds elapsed between the time of the explosion you heard in the basement and the first plane impact above?
CJ
A: WR- it was about 4 to 6 seconds after
***
All from:
http://911blogger.com/node/2011
http://www.911blogger.com/node/5943
Rodriguez testimony about two explosions regarding the first impact on the north tower is supported by audio proof:
http://911digitalarchive.org/sonicmedia//repository/media/child_864.mp3
Q: As best as you can recall, exactly how many seconds elapsed between the time of the explosion you heard in the basement and the first plane impact above?
CJ
A: WR- it was about 4 to 6 seconds after
***
All from:
http://911blogger.com/node/2011
http://www.911blogger.com/node/5943
Posted by: Mont, U.S. on 5:46am Fri 16 Feb 07
In addition to Rodriguez, I would like to see an article about the Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, Government Officials and Professors that question 9/11
found here: http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
In addition to Rodriguez, I would like to see an article about the Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, Government Officials and Professors that question 9/11
found here: http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
Posted by: The Man of Truth, Scotland on 8:19am Fri 16 Feb 07
As someone involved in controlled explosions to bring down buildings, I can say quite categorically that the Twin Towers did not collapse, they were brought down by the use of controlled detonations. If you watch any films of a demolition you will see that the builing drops centrally into itself, as happened in this case. If a building which was damaged in the way these were was to collapse, it wold fold onto the damaged area and tilt. It would not collapse as the steel structure is designed to withstand that sort of impact.
Watching the footage of the event, I was really dismayed that the fire was so minimal considering this aircraft should ahve had a full payload of aviation fuel. Maybe it didn't but only enough to get it to the towers!
As someone involved in controlled explosions to bring down buildings, I can say quite categorically that the Twin Towers did not collapse, they were brought down by the use of controlled detonations. If you watch any films of a demolition you will see that the builing drops centrally into itself, as happened in this case. If a building which was damaged in the way these were was to collapse, it wold fold onto the damaged area and tilt. It would not collapse as the steel structure is designed to withstand that sort of impact.
Watching the footage of the event, I was really dismayed that the fire was so minimal considering this aircraft should ahve had a full payload of aviation fuel. Maybe it didn't but only enough to get it to the towers!
Posted by: Colin Bryant, Cambridge UK on 8:54am Fri 16 Feb 07
I am an architect and when I watched the event happening I telephoned a friend, also an architect, who also happened to be watching on television, and before I could comment further he said
"that was contolled demolition". Need I say more.[bold]bold[/bold]
I am an architect and when I watched the event happening I telephoned a friend, also an architect, who also happened to be watching on television, and before I could comment further he said
"that was contolled demolition". Need I say more.
Posted by: Edward Rynearson, Chicago on 9:04am Fri 16 Feb 07
http://www.truthcult.com/goyette_coburn_interview.html
Flash back weeks before the 5th anniversary of the attacks of September 11, 2001. Popular Mechanics publishes Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts (Paperback) and sends its crack researcher, Davin Coburn, to battle the conspiracy theories that are beginning to infect the American public. August 23rd, 2006, Mr. Coburn finds himself on the Charles Goyette show broadcast in Phoenix Arizona. A caller asks Davin why a handful of the pilots who hijacked (and died) in the planes that crashed and burned on 911 are claiming they are still alive and want their names cleared up. The caller points out that he read this on the BBC website. Davin says that all the hijackers were identified using DNA matching. Enter Charles Goyette who asks a simple question. Listen to Davin's tell tale nervous laugh when he realizes that Mr. Goyette has just declared, "check-mate".
http://www.truthcult.com/goyette_coburn_interview.html
Flash back weeks before the 5th anniversary of the attacks of September 11, 2001. Popular Mechanics publishes Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts (Paperback) and sends its crack researcher, Davin Coburn, to battle the conspiracy theories that are beginning to infect the American public. August 23rd, 2006, Mr. Coburn finds himself on the Charles Goyette show broadcast in Phoenix Arizona. A caller asks Davin why a handful of the pilots who hijacked (and died) in the planes that crashed and burned on 911 are claiming they are still alive and want their names cleared up. The caller points out that he read this on the BBC website. Davin says that all the hijackers were identified using DNA matching. Enter Charles Goyette who asks a simple question. Listen to Davin's tell tale nervous laugh when he realizes that Mr. Goyette has just declared, "check-mate".
Posted by: elcy, Ro on 9:18am Fri 16 Feb 07
For a couple of years I followed almost all news,articles and documentaries regarding 9/11 .... as a result you can find a very detailed 911 archive with a lot of links that are updated daily down here:
http://snipurl.com/w7qr
I think the best answer to all the allegations (both officials and also from various conspiraty theories) will be to set-up an INTERNATIONAL and TRULY INDEPENDENT 911 COMISSION ....
911 Links
http://snipurl.com/w7qr
For a couple of years I followed almost all news,articles and documentaries regarding 9/11 .... as a result you can find a very detailed 911 archive with a lot of links that are updated daily down here:
http://snipurl.com/w7qr
I think the best answer to all the allegations (both officials and also from various conspiraty theories) will be to set-up an INTERNATIONAL and TRULY INDEPENDENT 911 COMISSION ....
911 Links
http://snipurl.com/w7qr
Posted by: Brian Clarke, Toronto, Canada on 10:04am Fri 16 Feb 07
Western Military and intelligence agencies have been known to use false flag terrror attacks as recently as the 1970's and 1980's, as can be seen by googling "Operation Gladio" or reading the book "Nato's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe" by Daniele Ganser.
Watching the US TV news media coverage of the 9/11 attacks, the whole episode seemed to me (just gut instinct, I'll admit) more of an intelligence agency psyop rather than a lucky strike by a handful of terrorist who evaded the billion dollar US military and intelligence agencies' defenses as the terrorists were guided by the Winston Smith type character of Osama from his secret, Afghan cave.
I am referring here to the relentless and persistent showing of clips of the planes hitting the builidings, the subsequent explosions, and then the buildings collapsing. This occurred for a period of days at 10 or 15 minute intervals on all the US channels, the clips of the building collapses being interspersed with interviews with the survivors and witnesses describing the horror of the event or talk of Osama and Al Quaida by the yammering TV talking heads, retired generals, miltiary and terrorism "experts" etc. It just seemed to be designed to drive home in the TV audience a feeling of helplessness and fear of this new and uncontrollable threat to their safety and well being that could only be countered by putting complete trust in the government for protection. Remember that research has shown that watching TV induces the brain to go into an alpha wave or hypnotic like state in which the message, whether an ad or government or corporate propaganda, is more likely to be uncritically absorbed and accepted into the subconscious.
Here's a quote from an Operation Gladio participant given in sworn testimony after the operation was exposed by the Italian government.
[quote][bold]"You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."[/bold]
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0210-22.htm
[/quote]
Western Military and intelligence agencies have been known to use false flag terrror attacks as recently as the 1970's and 1980's, as can be seen by googling "Operation Gladio" or reading the book "Nato's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe" by Daniele Ganser.
Watching the US TV news media coverage of the 9/11 attacks, the whole episode seemed to me (just gut instinct, I'll admit) more of an intelligence agency psyop rather than a lucky strike by a handful of terrorist who evaded the billion dollar US military and intelligence agencies' defenses as the terrorists were guided by the Winston Smith type character of Osama from his secret, Afghan cave.
I am referring here to the relentless and persistent showing of clips of the planes hitting the builidings, the subsequent explosions, and then the buildings collapsing. This occurred for a period of days at 10 or 15 minute intervals on all the US channels, the clips of the building collapses being interspersed with interviews with the survivors and witnesses describing the horror of the event or talk of Osama and Al Quaida by the yammering TV talking heads, retired generals, miltiary and terrorism "experts" etc. It just seemed to be designed to drive home in the TV audience a feeling of helplessness and fear of this new and uncontrollable threat to their safety and well being that could only be countered by putting complete trust in the government for protection. Remember that research has shown that watching TV induces the brain to go into an alpha wave or hypnotic like state in which the message, whether an ad or government or corporate propaganda, is more likely to be uncritically absorbed and accepted into the subconscious.
Here's a quote from an Operation Gladio participant given in sworn testimony after the operation was exposed by the Italian government.
"You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0210-22.htm
Posted by: Jorma Anttila, Helsinki on 10:47am Fri 16 Feb 07
There is lot of evidence of explosives used in WTC beyond that Rodriguez tells.
To examine the evidence by simply watching
http://www.911revisited.com/video.html
or read
http://www.911review.com/report.html
There is lot of evidence of explosives used in WTC beyond that Rodriguez tells.
To examine the evidence by simply watching
http://www.911revisited.com/video.html
or read
http://www.911review.com/report.html
Posted by: Paul Gillis, UK on 11:01am Fri 16 Feb 07
Conspiracy means a plot to do something illegal or harmful by two or more people.
The question must be whether you believe the official conspiracy theory after reviewing all the evidence to the contrary. I don't know about all the details, my own scientific knowledge tells me that thousands of tons of steel doesn't simultaneous fail within 10 seconds, and concrete doesn't undergo massive pulverization and turn to powder. Not from the energy suppied by a few hundred tons of kerosene (jet fuel). If it did, then none of us could use a gas cooker, gas central heating or a humble kerosene heater for our garages.
Conspiracy means a plot to do something illegal or harmful by two or more people.
The question must be whether you believe the official conspiracy theory after reviewing all the evidence to the contrary. I don't know about all the details, my own scientific knowledge tells me that thousands of tons of steel doesn't simultaneous fail within 10 seconds, and concrete doesn't undergo massive pulverization and turn to powder. Not from the energy suppied by a few hundred tons of kerosene (jet fuel). If it did, then none of us could use a gas cooker, gas central heating or a humble kerosene heater for our garages.
Posted by: Jamie Jackson, Oregon, USA on 12:02pm Fri 16 Feb 07
Rodriguez is proven a hero by not only saving lives on 9/11 but continuing to protect innocent life via providing the world with his testimony. Either that, or he's a BIG FAT LIAR. I'm thinking it's the former. In any case, there are abundant reasons to doubt the official conspiracy theory. I'll give you just one:
Watch Norman Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission (viewable free, online, at YouTube.com) and simply ask yourself this question: if the official conspiracy theory is true, then logically, what could "the orders" have been?
Rodriguez is proven a hero by not only saving lives on 9/11 but continuing to protect innocent life via providing the world with his testimony. Either that, or he's a BIG FAT LIAR. I'm thinking it's the former. In any case, there are abundant reasons to doubt the official conspiracy theory. I'll give you just one:
Watch Norman Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission (viewable free, online, at YouTube.com) and simply ask yourself this question: if the official conspiracy theory is true, then logically, what could "the orders" have been?
Posted by: Jon Carry, Boston, MA on 1:43pm Fri 16 Feb 07
You Truthers are insane. Barking moonbat insane.
Answer me one, just one, of the following questions:
Why did George Bush let the buildings burn for so long before finally bringing them down?
Why did Dick Cheney design the explosives to bring the buildings straight down, not toppling sideways for more damage?
How did Condi Rice convince the pilots to kill themselves?
You Truthers are insane. Barking moonbat insane.
Answer me one, just one, of the following questions:
Why did George Bush let the buildings burn for so long before finally bringing them down?
Why did Dick Cheney design the explosives to bring the buildings straight down, not toppling sideways for more damage?
How did Condi Rice convince the pilots to kill themselves?
Posted by: Michael, Florida on 2:08pm Fri 16 Feb 07
More conspiracy lunacy from mental midgets that see Bush conspiracies behind everything from late flights , to thier local market running out of ice cream. In order for you to buy into this you'd have to believe that a thousand or more conspirators are keeping quiet about a story that the media would pay untold millions to get. You'd also have to believe that Twin Towers security , engineering, and maintenance crews on duty 24 hours a day stood by and watched the bombs that killed them get planted.
More conspiracy lunacy from mental midgets that see Bush conspiracies behind everything from late flights , to thier local market running out of ice cream. In order for you to buy into this you'd have to believe that a thousand or more conspirators are keeping quiet about a story that the media would pay untold millions to get. You'd also have to believe that Twin Towers security , engineering, and maintenance crews on duty 24 hours a day stood by and watched the bombs that killed them get planted.
Posted by: Dickie Dawkins' lovechild, Cowering in the corner from the man, man. on 2:19pm Fri 16 Feb 07
Although conspiracy theorists are amusing and adorable, I don't understand why their mania is so widely reported. Just flick through the infotainment channels on satellite for a few hours and you'll see a show documenting their madcap ideas. These channels aren't owned by the "corporate machine" that "helped suppress the truth" and neither are the satellite channels which transmit them, of course...
I also don't understand why the US Government, apparently with the power to execute one of the most complicated subterfuges and deceptions in history, haven't closed down the sites that “expose the truth” with their all pervasive tentacles.
Prof. Richard Dawkins refuses to engage in debate with intelligent design/creationist propagators as it heightens their nonsense to that of evolution. Perhaps those trying to convince the wannabe Fox Mulders to convert to sanity should listen to Dickie.
Although conspiracy theorists are amusing and adorable, I don't understand why their mania is so widely reported. Just flick through the infotainment channels on satellite for a few hours and you'll see a show documenting their madcap ideas. These channels aren't owned by the "corporate machine" that "helped suppress the truth" and neither are the satellite channels which transmit them, of course...
I also don't understand why the US Government, apparently with the power to execute one of the most complicated subterfuges and deceptions in history, haven't closed down the sites that “expose the truth” with their all pervasive tentacles.
Prof. Richard Dawkins refuses to engage in debate with intelligent design/creationist propagators as it heightens their nonsense to that of evolution. Perhaps those trying to convince the wannabe Fox Mulders to convert to sanity should listen to Dickie.
Posted by: Gomez, guam on 2:20pm Fri 16 Feb 07
As a Muslim, I can say cetegorically that Islamic men did not pilot those airplanes. In islam, we do not lend or borrow money with interest and this bombing has created very much interest in money. However, there is no truth buth Allah's will. And the will of Allah is that Islam should prevail. Those buildings did not collapse from fire or explosions But rather, it was that foolish America capitalism built them as centers of idol worship for money. American greed destroyed the towers. The DNA of those brave Muslim men was found the in wreckage because they were being kept as prisoners in Gitmo and were put on those planes and murdered by the CIA. The towers fell because those remote controlled planes had large amounts of explosives-enhanced liqued fuel in them which blew down the elevator shafts and caused additional fires/explosives. Both sides are right - there was no controlled demolition, but it's also true that 9/11 was caused by the CIA to frame Muslims for murder and to give an excuse to murder Muslims.
As a Muslim, I can say cetegorically that Islamic men did not pilot those airplanes. In islam, we do not lend or borrow money with interest and this bombing has created very much interest in money. However, there is no truth buth Allah's will. And the will of Allah is that Islam should prevail. Those buildings did not collapse from fire or explosions But rather, it was that foolish America capitalism built them as centers of idol worship for money. American greed destroyed the towers. The DNA of those brave Muslim men was found the in wreckage because they were being kept as prisoners in Gitmo and were put on those planes and murdered by the CIA. The towers fell because those remote controlled planes had large amounts of explosives-enhanced liqued fuel in them which blew down the elevator shafts and caused additional fires/explosives. Both sides are right - there was no controlled demolition, but it's also true that 9/11 was caused by the CIA to frame Muslims for murder and to give an excuse to murder Muslims.
Posted by: Tigger, New York, NY USA on 2:26pm Fri 16 Feb 07
I fully support the free flow of ideas and peoples desire to find 'the truth' and 'the facts' in their own way. Indeed, I think it's paramount to get to vet completely every exotic theory that comes along just to continue to prove that the official story is accurate.
I've followed this since the beginning as I'm in NYC myself and was in town on that day. As someone who's not.....let's say very FRIENDLY with the current administration (they suck), I feel like I'm not here to 'carry water' for bush or any of his cronies.
That being said however, I've looked at and read every piece of information I could about this event. I've seen 'loose change' and myriad other videos claiming to tell 'the real story' of 9/11. And while these films are great with the 'gotcha' moments and scary sounding music, they always seem to go out of their way to ingore %99.9 of the obvious evidence while pushing that remaining disputed %.01 as the real story.
The stories above from people who 'are pushing the truth' rely on evidence that, if it were coming from the other side, would be laughed out of the room.
"I'm an archtect and I was on the phone with another architect when it fell and we both said it was a conrtolled explosion....."
"I've been in controlled demolition for 10 years and when I saw it I KNEW there was nothing else that could have done that except a controlled explosion...."
"I was walking out of the building and I heard something before the planes hit....."
I don't mean to discount the emotion these people hold or how fervently they believe what they are saying. Quite the contrary, as I said I think all this should be discussed till we're blue in the face to prove there is no conspiracy.
But so much is ignored to gore the ox people want to. Consider:
1) In order to pull off an event like this from a conspiracy standpoint you have to have a good amount of people in key places at very very specific times to make it work.
2) You have to believe that no one involved will leak anything to the press or eventually crack under pressure. which is almost impossible in the US. **** the US gov't can't even keep borderline practices under wraps without newspapers blaring the details for all to see. (i.e. wiretapping)
3) You have to believe that these people involved, would be willing to sacrifice the lives of thousands of their innocent countrymen, including any relatives in the armed forces who would be shipped off to the war this 'conspiracy' was designed to ignite. You have to believe that they would willingly sacrifice any of the officers in the armed forces and the civilian support staff at the pentagon as well.
And WHAT do they get from sacrificing all this, turning on their own country, and killing innocent members of their own communities???
Nothing. I'm supposed to believe they did all this just to be a part of some vast neo-con power grab that won't benefit them personally, will help kill our image on the world stage, will help bankrupt our treasury, and will get us stuck in two wars for more than 4 years with no end in sight.
Again, it seems like common sense must be suspended completely for any of this to even be considered with a straight face.
I feel for people who hate the US. But logic has to play a role. I feel ilke even though I agree with the motives of this movement, I still can't take is seriously.
And there are too many times with this movement that even things that are irrefutible get pushed to the wayside if it points to the official story.
I get the feeling that some of you could have a personal video of Osama talking about how he planned, coordinated, and then launched this attack on the US, and the first thing we'd here in response is how 'Osama REALLY is an operative of the US, and Al-quaeda was just created in a washington think tank to create war anyway, and everyone with half a brain can tell this all about oil, and Osama was trained by the CIA 20 years ago specifically so he could wait for the second president bush (who's been his secret planning partner don't cha know?) to launch this attack on Iraq, etc. etc. etc.
I fully support the free flow of ideas and peoples desire to find 'the truth' and 'the facts' in their own way. Indeed, I think it's paramount to get to vet completely every exotic theory that comes along just to continue to prove that the official story is accurate.
I've followed this since the beginning as I'm in NYC myself and was in town on that day. As someone who's not.....let's say very FRIENDLY with the current administration (they suck), I feel like I'm not here to 'carry water' for bush or any of his cronies.
That being said however, I've looked at and read every piece of information I could about this event. I've seen 'loose change' and myriad other videos claiming to tell 'the real story' of 9/11. And while these films are great with the 'gotcha' moments and scary sounding music, they always seem to go out of their way to ingore %99.9 of the obvious evidence while pushing that remaining disputed %.01 as the real story.
The stories above from people who 'are pushing the truth' rely on evidence that, if it were coming from the other side, would be laughed out of the room.
"I'm an archtect and I was on the phone with another architect when it fell and we both said it was a conrtolled explosion....."
"I've been in controlled demolition for 10 years and when I saw it I KNEW there was nothing else that could have done that except a controlled explosion...."
"I was walking out of the building and I heard something before the planes hit....."
I don't mean to discount the emotion these people hold or how fervently they believe what they are saying. Quite the contrary, as I said I think all this should be discussed till we're blue in the face to prove there is no conspiracy.
But so much is ignored to gore the ox people want to. Consider:
1) In order to pull off an event like this from a conspiracy standpoint you have to have a good amount of people in key places at very very specific times to make it work.
2) You have to believe that no one involved will leak anything to the press or eventually crack under pressure. which is almost impossible in the US. **** the US gov't can't even keep borderline practices under wraps without newspapers blaring the details for all to see. (i.e. wiretapping)
3) You have to believe that these people involved, would be willing to sacrifice the lives of thousands of their innocent countrymen, including any relatives in the armed forces who would be shipped off to the war this 'conspiracy' was designed to ignite. You have to believe that they would willingly sacrifice any of the officers in the armed forces and the civilian support staff at the pentagon as well.
And WHAT do they get from sacrificing all this, turning on their own country, and killing innocent members of their own communities???
Nothing. I'm supposed to believe they did all this just to be a part of some vast neo-con power grab that won't benefit them personally, will help kill our image on the world stage, will help bankrupt our treasury, and will get us stuck in two wars for more than 4 years with no end in sight.
Again, it seems like common sense must be suspended completely for any of this to even be considered with a straight face.
I feel for people who hate the US. But logic has to play a role. I feel ilke even though I agree with the motives of this movement, I still can't take is seriously.
And there are too many times with this movement that even things that are irrefutible get pushed to the wayside if it points to the official story.
I get the feeling that some of you could have a personal video of Osama talking about how he planned, coordinated, and then launched this attack on the US, and the first thing we'd here in response is how 'Osama REALLY is an operative of the US, and Al-quaeda was just created in a washington think tank to create war anyway, and everyone with half a brain can tell this all about oil, and Osama was trained by the CIA 20 years ago specifically so he could wait for the second president bush (who's been his secret planning partner don't cha know?) to launch this attack on Iraq, etc. etc. etc.
Posted by: Joseph Cape, Stirling, UK on 2:31pm Fri 16 Feb 07
Any account of 9/11 must rely on a 'Conspiracy Theory'; clearly the attack was a result of some group of human conspirators who intended to carry out their clandestine operation with secrecy. Those conspirators may have been Al Quaida; they may have been within the US Government. When Ms. Cowie states that, of the view held by Mr. Rodriguez, "like so many conspiracy theories, it is let down by its proponents", she states an unjustified bias towards the official explanation, and it is apparent that 'conspiracy theory' is used as a politicized label to denigrate those to hold to it, rather than encourage open discussion by taking his view on his own terms, in good faith.
Any account of 9/11 must rely on a 'Conspiracy Theory'; clearly the attack was a result of some group of human conspirators who intended to carry out their clandestine operation with secrecy. Those conspirators may have been Al Quaida; they may have been within the US Government. When Ms. Cowie states that, of the view held by Mr. Rodriguez, "like so many conspiracy theories, it is let down by its proponents", she states an unjustified bias towards the official explanation, and it is apparent that 'conspiracy theory' is used as a politicized label to denigrate those to hold to it, rather than encourage open discussion by taking his view on his own terms, in good faith.
Posted by: Kenneth Parady on 2:34pm Fri 16 Feb 07
Lets see. He is a janitor. No where in the article does it mention what his income has been since 9/11. Take a look at his 1040 and see if he is on a crusade or just taking advantage of his 15 minutes of fame?
Lets see. He is a janitor. No where in the article does it mention what his income has been since 9/11. Take a look at his 1040 and see if he is on a crusade or just taking advantage of his 15 minutes of fame?
Posted by: Luke on 3:03pm Fri 16 Feb 07
I do recall hearing William on the radio stating he was struggling severely financially.
But let's just pretend for a moment "he's in it for the money". The guy gives speeches for free, hasn't created any DVDs or books and has had his life threatened.
But let's just pretend he makes $500,000 per year from this (random figure).
How does that make him bad and untrustworthy, yet you'll listen to Bill O'reilly who makes 8-figure salaries or Dick Cheney who also makes 8 figure amounts from companies like Haliburton and other war profiteers?
Or a CNN anchor making high six-figure sums to read a teleprompter?
Why trust a guy like Bush with all of his family's oil money and dynasty?
Why are the above multi-millionaires allowed to have money and be good but William is untrustyworthy because you think he's "cashing in".
It's called doublethink people, and you're doing it.
I do recall hearing William on the radio stating he was struggling severely financially.
But let's just pretend for a moment "he's in it for the money". The guy gives speeches for free, hasn't created any DVDs or books and has had his life threatened.
But let's just pretend he makes $500,000 per year from this (random figure).
How does that make him bad and untrustworthy, yet you'll listen to Bill O'reilly who makes 8-figure salaries or Dick Cheney who also makes 8 figure amounts from companies like Haliburton and other war profiteers?
Or a CNN anchor making high six-figure sums to read a teleprompter?
Why trust a guy like Bush with all of his family's oil money and dynasty?
Why are the above multi-millionaires allowed to have money and be good but William is untrustyworthy because you think he's "cashing in".
It's called doublethink people, and you're doing it.
Posted by: Winston Smith, Eurasia on 3:12pm Fri 16 Feb 07
Please give me one order of Straw Man arguments with a side of Ad Hominem attacks and put a little Red Herring on the side.
Please no facts, they give me indigestion.
Please give me one order of Straw Man arguments with a side of Ad Hominem attacks and put a little Red Herring on the side.
Please no facts, they give me indigestion.
Posted by: Ade, Liverpool on 3:23pm Fri 16 Feb 07
In the history of construction, only [bold]3[/bold] steel buildings have [bold]ever[/bold] fully and catastrophically collapsed as a result of fire.
These 3 collapses occurred on [bold]11th September 2001[/bold] - World trade buildings [bold]1, 2[/bold] & [bold]7[/bold] .
Please do your own research..
Well done to the Glasgow Herald for publishing this review article.
In the history of construction, only
3 steel buildings have
ever fully and catastrophically collapsed as a result of fire.
These 3 collapses occurred on
11th September 2001 - World trade buildings
1, 2 &
7 .
Please do your own research..
Well done to the Glasgow Herald for publishing this review article.
Posted by: Robert Rice, Orillia Ontario Canada on 3:38pm Fri 16 Feb 07
To determine whether or not there were explosions occuring in the trade center towers, over and above the plane impacts, all you need do is watch this film.
9/11 Revisited, Were Explosives Used
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1951610169657809939
Watch it.
To determine whether or not there were explosions occuring in the trade center towers, over and above the plane impacts, all you need do is watch this film.
9/11 Revisited, Were Explosives Used
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1951610169657809939
Watch it.
Posted by: Tom More, Canada on 4:32pm Fri 16 Feb 07
Do you not think the Democrats, who nit-pick every little thing Bush does wrong, would be all over this story like wasps on a jam pot if there was a grain of truth to it.? You do a disservice to the many smart American politicians and media people if you think such story would get by them were it anything more than delusional ramblings.
Do you not think the Democrats, who nit-pick every little thing Bush does wrong, would be all over this story like wasps on a jam pot if there was a grain of truth to it.? You do a disservice to the many smart American politicians and media people if you think such story would get by them were it anything more than delusional ramblings.
Posted by: Luke on 4:52pm Fri 16 Feb 07
[quote][bold]Tom More[/bold] wrote:
Do you not think the Democrats, who nit-pick every little thing Bush does wrong, would be all over this story like wasps on a jam pot if there was a grain of truth to it.? You do a disservice to the many smart American politicians and media people if you think such story would get by them were it anything more than delusional ramblings.[/quote] You mean the Democrats that have done nothing to stop this war, profit from it, have not moved to repeal the PATRIOT act, or tried to remove the troops and pimp higher taxes, globalwarming fearmongering, and gun control...
those Democrats?
There's a reason Bush senior and Clinton play golf together...and why the owner of Fox news has lunch with Hillary.
It's called controlled-opposition.
There is no difference in the 2 parties at all.
The rhetoric is different, the actions are the same.
Tom More wrote:
Do you not think the Democrats, who nit-pick every little thing Bush does wrong, would be all over this story like wasps on a jam pot if there was a grain of truth to it.? You do a disservice to the many smart American politicians and media people if you think such story would get by them were it anything more than delusional ramblings.
You mean the Democrats that have done nothing to stop this war, profit from it, have not moved to repeal the PATRIOT act, or tried to remove the troops and pimp higher taxes, globalwarming fearmongering, and gun control...
those Democrats?
There's a reason Bush senior and Clinton play golf together...and why the owner of Fox news has lunch with Hillary.
It's called controlled-opposition.
There is no difference in the 2 parties at all.
The rhetoric is different, the actions are the same.
Posted by: Dr. Wiseman on 5:05pm Fri 16 Feb 07
I work part time as a researcher and consultant for the European Southern Observatory. I am trained as a Doctor in Nuclear Physics. The consensus of opinion among all my esteemed colleagues is that 911 was an inside job. Government scientists will tell you that steel softens at 500C. Independent scientists will not tell you this. In my opinion there is almost certainly truth in this conspiracy theory. There are so many problems with the official story. I am very sad to tell you this.....
I work part time as a researcher and consultant for the European Southern Observatory. I am trained as a Doctor in Nuclear Physics. The consensus of opinion among all my esteemed colleagues is that 911 was an inside job. Government scientists will tell you that steel softens at 500C. Independent scientists will not tell you this. In my opinion there is almost certainly truth in this conspiracy theory. There are so many problems with the official story. I am very sad to tell you this.....
Posted by: plord, edinburgh on 5:20pm Fri 16 Feb 07
loke any crime first look at who benifits, the usa and friends or the terrorists. The us economy, homeland security and the subsequent war all benifit, the terrorists now have the whole world on their case. nuff said
loke any crime first look at who benifits, the usa and friends or the terrorists. The us economy, homeland security and the subsequent war all benifit, the terrorists now have the whole world on their case. nuff said
Posted by: Robert, New York City on 5:23pm Fri 16 Feb 07
Imagine that the 9/11 Truth Movement was completely correct about everything, and tomorrow hard, irrefutable evidence was presented to this end, and the world could see that the official version was indeed a lie, and many of our known and unknown leaders were complicit. What would happen from there?
Here's a thought: [italic] The end of the United States of America as we know it.
[/italic]
The stock market would crash, foreign investors would pull out overnight, the dollar would collaps and be meaningless, other "dollar-based" economies would suffer, civil unrest, riots, looting, and more.
So before anyone blames the Democrats lack of hard questions to Bush as your "proof" that there were no criminal actions taken by any Americans on 9/11, ask yourself if you were destroy your very own life, your family and friends' lives, and your own country for the privilege to say, "I told you so," before living out the rest of your days in a [italic]Beyond Thunderdome[/italic] sort of world.
Imagine that the 9/11 Truth Movement was completely correct about everything, and tomorrow hard, irrefutable evidence was presented to this end, and the world could see that the official version was indeed a lie, and many of our known and unknown leaders were complicit. What would happen from there?
Here's a thought:
The end of the United States of America as we know it.
The stock market would crash, foreign investors would pull out overnight, the dollar would collaps and be meaningless, other "dollar-based" economies would suffer, civil unrest, riots, looting, and more.
So before anyone blames the Democrats lack of hard questions to Bush as your "proof" that there were no criminal actions taken by any Americans on 9/11, ask yourself if you were destroy your very own life, your family and friends' lives, and your own country for the privilege to say, "I told you so," before living out the rest of your days in a
Beyond Thunderdome sort of world.
Posted by: Michael, Florida on 5:40pm Fri 16 Feb 07
Jeesh. I'm a building maintenance engineer here in Florida. At the 20 story building I presently work at we use the same security protocols the Twin Towers used on that infamous September day. Everyone entering the building must pass thru a security checkpoint. Lets say your a conspirator carrying a bag full of explosives and detonaters posing as a telephone guy . Even if security didn't catch on , I would be called to escort you during your stay in the building, thats routine. I would take you to the proposed work site and then stand and watch until the job is finished. Any deviation in your stated work site or method is immediately reported by me to security. Now, do you think a trained building engineer is going to stand there and watch you break thru the wall in various places and plant high explosive charges on support columns. You say, but he could kill you Mike , and then carry out his nefarious plan. Nope, security makes radio contact with me every half hour while I'm escorting contractors. If I fail to answer all hades breaks lose.
Jeesh. I'm a building maintenance engineer here in Florida. At the 20 story building I presently work at we use the same security protocols the Twin Towers used on that infamous September day. Everyone entering the building must pass thru a security checkpoint. Lets say your a conspirator carrying a bag full of explosives and detonaters posing as a telephone guy . Even if security didn't catch on , I would be called to escort you during your stay in the building, thats routine. I would take you to the proposed work site and then stand and watch until the job is finished. Any deviation in your stated work site or method is immediately reported by me to security. Now, do you think a trained building engineer is going to stand there and watch you break thru the wall in various places and plant high explosive charges on support columns. You say, but he could kill you Mike , and then carry out his nefarious plan. Nope, security makes radio contact with me every half hour while I'm escorting contractors. If I fail to answer all hades breaks lose.
Posted by: Jon Carry, Boston, MA on 5:48pm Fri 16 Feb 07
The Truthers are beyond rational thought. The idea that this conspiracy could have been pulled off is just plain nuts. We even have idiots like Dr. Wiseman (!) who proclaims himself to be "trained in nuclear physics" yet does not know at what temperature structural steel fails.
Or the self-proclaimed Muslim "Gomez" who can't even write a coherent sentence.
This is the pool-of-fools that compose The Truther movement.
The Truthers are beyond rational thought. The idea that this conspiracy could have been pulled off is just plain nuts. We even have idiots like Dr. Wiseman (!) who proclaims himself to be "trained in nuclear physics" yet does not know at what temperature structural steel fails.
Or the self-proclaimed Muslim "Gomez" who can't even write a coherent sentence.
This is the pool-of-fools that compose The Truther movement.
Posted by: Nonya Bisness on 5:50pm Fri 16 Feb 07
911 was MIHOP!
Kerosene fires don't make steel framed skyscrapers completely collapse! Never have and never will! Except on 91101! Anyone who want's to accept the Bush/PNAC CT is free to do so. After all, it's your children's children who'll eventually pay the price for allowing the deceptions to continue. You all need to really look into both sides of this issue before it's too late if not already!
911 was MIHOP!
Kerosene fires don't make steel framed skyscrapers completely collapse! Never have and never will! Except on 91101! Anyone who want's to accept the Bush/PNAC CT is free to do so. After all, it's your children's children who'll eventually pay the price for allowing the deceptions to continue. You all need to really look into both sides of this issue before it's too late if not already!
Posted by: Nonya Bisness on 5:56pm Fri 16 Feb 07
[quote][bold]Jon Carry[/bold] wrote:
The Truthers are beyond rational thought. The idea that this conspiracy could have been pulled off is just plain nuts. We even have idiots like Dr. Wiseman (!) who proclaims himself to be \"trained in nuclear physics\" yet does not know at what temperature structural steel fails. Or the self-proclaimed Muslim \"Gomez\" who can\'t even write a coherent sentence. This is the pool-of-fools that compose The Truther movement.[/quote] The only fools I see are those who've closed their minds to the posibilities. Without any foundation to stand on I might add!
Watch the video "911 Press for Truth"
Jon Carry wrote:
The Truthers are beyond rational thought. The idea that this conspiracy could have been pulled off is just plain nuts. We even have idiots like Dr. Wiseman (!) who proclaims himself to be \"trained in nuclear physics\" yet does not know at what temperature structural steel fails. Or the self-proclaimed Muslim \"Gomez\" who can\'t even write a coherent sentence. This is the pool-of-fools that compose The Truther movement.
The only fools I see are those who've closed their minds to the posibilities. Without any foundation to stand on I might add!
Watch the video "911 Press for Truth"
Posted by: Nonya Bisness, USA on 6:02pm Fri 16 Feb 07
[quote][bold]Michael[/bold] wrote:
Jeesh. I\'m a building maintenance engineer here in Florida. At the 20 story building I presently work at we use the same security protocols the Twin Towers used on that infamous September day. Everyone entering the building must pass thru a security checkpoint. Lets say your a conspirator carrying a bag full of explosives and detonaters posing as a telephone guy . Even if security didn\'t catch on , I would be called to escort you during your stay in the building, thats routine. I would take you to the proposed work site and then stand and watch until the job is finished. Any deviation in your stated work site or method is immediately reported by me to security. Now, do you think a trained building engineer is going to stand there and watch you break thru the wall in various places and plant high explosive charges on support columns. You say, but he could kill you Mike , and then carry out his nefarious plan. Nope, security makes radio contact with me every half hour while I\'m escorting contractors. If I fail to answer all hades breaks lose. [/quote] http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x110652#110788
check above link!
Michael wrote:
Jeesh. I\'m a building maintenance engineer here in Florida. At the 20 story building I presently work at we use the same security protocols the Twin Towers used on that infamous September day. Everyone entering the building must pass thru a security checkpoint. Lets say your a conspirator carrying a bag full of explosives and detonaters posing as a telephone guy . Even if security didn\'t catch on , I would be called to escort you during your stay in the building, thats routine. I would take you to the proposed work site and then stand and watch until the job is finished. Any deviation in your stated work site or method is immediately reported by me to security. Now, do you think a trained building engineer is going to stand there and watch you break thru the wall in various places and plant high explosive charges on support columns. You say, but he could kill you Mike , and then carry out his nefarious plan. Nope, security makes radio contact with me every half hour while I\'m escorting contractors. If I fail to answer all hades breaks lose.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x110652#110788
check above link!
Posted by: Michael, Florida on 6:11pm Fri 16 Feb 07
I'm prepared to here your evidence Nonya. But please explain how in a building filled with people and staffed by a large engineering and security contingent , your conspirators were able to break thru walls to plant charges on support columns.
I'm prepared to here your evidence Nonya. But please explain how in a building filled with people and staffed by a large engineering and security contingent , your conspirators were able to break thru walls to plant charges on support columns.
Posted by: Thomas Ellis, Hampton, VA on 6:20pm Fri 16 Feb 07
This article was yet another lame example of the MSM first reporting eyewitness testimony that casts doubt on the official story, then attempting, through silly and irrelevant ad hominem arguments, to pooh-pooh and discredit the testimony. Yet if Rodriguez was being groomed and amply financed by the Republicans to run for office as a "hero" of 9/11, what possible benefit could he gain for himself by becoming a whistleblower and telling what he saw and heard that day that contradicts the official story? Unless he were more interested in truth than in fame and money, this makes no sense at all.
It is interesting also that none of these MSM dismissals of doubts about 9/11 even mentions the superbly researched writings of people like Dr. David Ray Griffin or Dr. Steven Jones--nor have they even mentioned the superb forensic documentary [italic]9/11 mysteries[/italic] . I challenge anyone, whose mind can still be changed by a wide array of prima facie, testimonial, analogic, expert, and circumstantial evidence, to watch this 90 minute video (available on Google video or at 9/11weknow.com) and NOT be convinced that the Twin Towers and Building 7 were brought down by controlled demolition, and that the "official story" of their collapse completely violates the First and Second Law of Thermodynamics.
How could the combined energy inputs of an airliner impact (which the buildings withstood as they had been designed), a jet fuel fireball (consumed in seconds) and an office fire of 3 or 4 stories, burning nothing but furniture, computers, and fire-retardant carpets and turning to mostly smoke after an hour--coupled with the asymmetrical weight of the top fifth of the buildings on (possibly) weakened steel beams, possibly generate enough energy to bring down the entire building, including its 47-beam steel core, at freefall rate? Anyone with an elementary education in basic physics will tell you that energy input MUST equal energy output. This total pulverization of both towers (and building 7) could not possibly have happened without collateral energy, in the form of timed, controlled demolitions.
This article was yet another lame example of the MSM first reporting eyewitness testimony that casts doubt on the official story, then attempting, through silly and irrelevant ad hominem arguments, to pooh-pooh and discredit the testimony. Yet if Rodriguez was being groomed and amply financed by the Republicans to run for office as a "hero" of 9/11, what possible benefit could he gain for himself by becoming a whistleblower and telling what he saw and heard that day that contradicts the official story? Unless he were more interested in truth than in fame and money, this makes no sense at all.
It is interesting also that none of these MSM dismissals of doubts about 9/11 even mentions the superbly researched writings of people like Dr. David Ray Griffin or Dr. Steven Jones--nor have they even mentioned the superb forensic documentary
9/11 mysteries . I challenge anyone, whose mind can still be changed by a wide array of prima facie, testimonial, analogic, expert, and circumstantial evidence, to watch this 90 minute video (available on Google video or at 9/11weknow.com) and NOT be convinced that the Twin Towers and Building 7 were brought down by controlled demolition, and that the "official story" of their collapse completely violates the First and Second Law of Thermodynamics.
How could the combined energy inputs of an airliner impact (which the buildings withstood as they had been designed), a jet fuel fireball (consumed in seconds) and an office fire of 3 or 4 stories, burning nothing but furniture, computers, and fire-retardant carpets and turning to mostly smoke after an hour--coupled with the asymmetrical weight of the top fifth of the buildings on (possibly) weakened steel beams, possibly generate enough energy to bring down the entire building, including its 47-beam steel core, at freefall rate? Anyone with an elementary education in basic physics will tell you that energy input MUST equal energy output. This total pulverization of both towers (and building 7) could not possibly have happened without collateral energy, in the form of timed, controlled demolitions.
Posted by: Michael, Florida on 6:25pm Fri 16 Feb 07
Checked out your link Nonya. The Twin Towers , like most commercial structures above 10 stories used backup deisel generators for, security, fire equipment, and emergency elevator control. What your saying could happen only if the New Yorkers managing security and engineering were blind, and completely incompetent, I don't think thats the case.
Checked out your link Nonya. The Twin Towers , like most commercial structures above 10 stories used backup deisel generators for, security, fire equipment, and emergency elevator control. What your saying could happen only if the New Yorkers managing security and engineering were blind, and completely incompetent, I don't think thats the case.
Posted by: nick, South Africa on 6:29pm Fri 16 Feb 07
Michael of Florida,
Check the reports and you will find that a few days BEFORE the event the entire building was "closed" for some unspecified reason and numerous "security" personnal cordoned off the area while "work" was done on the building.
If you have the keys to the building, you don't have to break walls to get to the site to place the explosives.
Michael of Florida,
Check the reports and you will find that a few days BEFORE the event the entire building was "closed" for some unspecified reason and numerous "security" personnal cordoned off the area while "work" was done on the building.
If you have the keys to the building, you don't have to break walls to get to the site to place the explosives.
Posted by: Rene Normandeau, Winnipeg, MB, Canada on 6:33pm Fri 16 Feb 07
Anyone who takes the time to research even a small portion of the vast amount of information presented by 911 Truth researchers will come to the same conclusions and ask themselves the same questions. Compare this information to the official story and you will have no doubt that it is a cover up. I do not understand why educated and prominent members of our society come forth with well researched, scientific evidence that have serious implications for our well being and freedom, are shunned by the Official story believers as having little to no evidence of a substantial nature to prove their claims. The only counter offensive that they offer to disprove the Truth movements research comes in the form of name calling. The people who have no proof are defending their views by stating that the people with mountains of evidence have no proof and are just crazy conspiracy theorists. This can only be viewed as doub