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Scottish Widows’chief sees scope for more outsourcing
TIM SHARPJanuary 21 2008
DRIVER OF CHANGE: Archie Kane 'constantly focused on things still to be done'
DRIVER OF CHANGE: Archie Kane 'constantly focused on things still to be done'

Scottish Widows chief executive Archie Kane has pledged to retain customer service roles in the UK, but signalled that the company could still send more jobs abroad as he oversees continued reform at the Lloyds TSB-owned insurer.

Kane has presided over a turnaround in the fortunes of Widows but is adamant that there will be further improvements at the Edinburgh-based business.

When he took over in October 2003, Widows was reeling from the fall-out from the mis-selling of precipice bonds and, like virtually every other life company, had to devise an alternative product range when customers turned their backs on with-profits after the post-millennium stock market crash.

A measure of Kane's success in streamlining the business is that it has been able to repatriate around £3.6bn of capital to its Lloyds TSB parent company in the last three years.

This has been aided by a focus on simpler and less capital-intensive products and a move to cut excess costs from the business.

But Kane, 55, who oversaw IT and operations at parent company Lloyds TSB before taking on Widows, continues to style himself as a driver of change. One element of that is an ongoing search for ways to cut costs through outsourcing.

He said: "We look at it from the point of view - does it make commercial sense and does it make operational sense to do these things?"

Among the changes wrought by Kane was the transfer two years ago of some data processing jobs to India. Also, State Street now handles much of the behind-the-scenes work at Scottish Widows Investment Partnership.

Widows employs around 4000 staff in the UK but Kane is adamant that while there could be scope for further outsourcing or offshoring, there will be no repeat of Lloyds TSB's aborted attempt to move some call-centre functions overseas.

"What we will not do is outsource consumer contact," he said. "We own the contact with our customers, we have to stand and communicate face-to-face or via the telephone with our customers.

"But things like medical underwriting or administrative processing that goes on behind the scenes, and if it makes commercial sense to do it, then we will avail ourselves of the opportunity to do so like any sensible firm."

Asked whether that meant there was scope to outsource further work overseas or to other companies within the UK, Kane said: "We always look to improve our efficiency and effectiveness so you have always got to keep an eye on those things.

"That has not meant we have decreased our employment in our businesses in Scotland and mainland UK.

"What it has allowed us to do is grow the business and develop and improve our services which would have been more expensive to do otherwise."

Kane does not dwell on the changes he has helped drive at the company over the past four years since he replaced long-serving Widows chief Mike Ross.

At the time Widows was stomaching a £1.9m precipice bonds mis-selling fine from the Financial Services Authority and its fund management operation Scottish Widows Investment Partnership had suffered several high-level departures. Meanwhile, Lloyds TSB faced criticism that it had overpaid for Widows when it bought it in 2000.

Kane mentions Widows' improvement in sales and profitability during his tenure but he added: "I would never say I am happy. I am one of these people who are constantly focused on things still to be done.

"The whole industry has had a challenge and that challenge has been to improve consumer confidence and to find a way of developing products and service which is much more understandable and tangible for consumers and Scottish Widows has been engaged in that journey. It is an ongoing challenge."

Kane, who trained as an accountant in Glasgow, points to his work as strategy director of TSB during its merger with Lloyds in 1985 as a formative experience that convinced him of the need to be hands-on.

"It was a huge complicated deal to make sense of. I realised you cannot do these things sitting around. You have to make things happen. You have to drive these things through."

In his current role he is keen for Widows to expand its position in the pensions market and to build its presence through its key distribution channels, bancassurance - namely sales via Lloyds TSB branches - and via independent financial advisers (IFAs).

"I still think there is plenty of opportunity there. And to continue to build on the back of the brand. We are lucky to have a strong and distinctive brand."

Kane is almost evangelical about the power of the Widows brand and a calendar featuring the iconic widow hangs in his office in Lloyds TSB's London headquarters.

He is also unwilling to dismiss the notion of Scottish Widows as a life company at a time when other companies are ditching what is sometimes seen as a tarnished label.

"Scottish Widows is a life and pensions company and there is no getting away from that. The core focus of the company is very much about helping consumers prepare for their long-term financial needs. That really is what it is all about."

Investment products will clearly be a focus of the coming year. Dean Buckley,formerly of HSBC and Prudential, joined this month as chief executive of Scottish Widows Investment Partnership (Swip), which Kane chairs.

Swip was the largest fund manager in Scotland by assets under management when it was formed by parent company Lloyds TSB's merger of the investment operations of Scottish Widows and Hill Samuel in 2000. But it has since lost ground to Standard Life.

There has been speculation that Buckley might seek to shake off what is seen by some as a staid life company culture at Swip.

But Kane makes much of Swip's status as a standalone business with its own board and said the flow of funds from Scottish Widows and elsewhere in the Lloyds TSB group gives it scale and keeps costs down.

"(Buckley) may develop new strategies and let it into new areas, that remains to be seen. One thing I think he will do is develop and grow the business."

One mission will be to increase sales from the US, Middle East and continental European.

But how much time does Kane really devote to Widows given that his portfolio of roles includes a place on the main board of Lloyds TSB Group, as executive director for insurance and investments as well as a member of the Takeover Panel, serving on the Treasury's retail financial services group as well as, from last summer, the high profile role of chairman of the Association of British Insurers?

Kane reckons 70% to 80% of his working week is spent on Scottish Widows and Swip. This is quite a long week however, with Hamilton-born Kane usually hitting his desk around 7am. He typically does not leave work for another 12 or 13 hours. Then it is often off to a dinner although Kane says he is restricting these to "one or two" a week. A portion of his weekend often gets devoted to paperwork as well.

Indeed, his desk moves quite a lot. When he is not in Edinburgh looking after Widows, he is in London at Lloyds TSB HQ, or in Wales overseeing the company's general insurance operations.

For that reason much of Kane's relaxing is done on the road. He is an avid reader of "pretty much everything", having recently finished Ian McEwan's Atonement, as well as Eric Clapton's autobiography.

He said: "Scottish Widows is very important to me and takes a lot of my time and focus and I care a great deal about it but there is a lot of stuff I do as well."


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Posted by: Ian, West Lothian on 12:22pm Mon 21 Jan 08
Outsourcing! Hardly an innovative and original idea for a chief exec who styles himself as a 'driver for change'.

It seems more likely to be a plan to increase profits and share values in the short term - same work being performed at less cost. Trouble is: the staff don't like outsourcing and neither does the customer. The former for obvious reasons, the latter because the cost benefit is never passed on to them. The usual scenario is that customers receive a poorer service for the same cost.

In the long term outsourcing will harm the company as customers will seek better service elsewhere and the relationship between staff and employer will suffer. It's no use claiming that it's not customer service roles that are being outsourced either. There is no such thing. Everything a company does impacts upon the customer...eventuall
y.

M&S's Stuart Rose is to meet Jeremy Paxman following the latter's publicly made complaints that the co's pants and socks are inadequate. I've never bought such items from M&S but, it has some resonance to me since, having bought two suits from them that fell to pieces (trousers) within weeks, It'll be a long time before I buy a suit from them again. Using cheap materials and cheap labour will come back to haunt M&S. Their suits are not of the same quality as they were when Daks-Simpson made them. If SWIP go down the same road for short term gain, it will come back to haunt them too in years to come.
Posted by: Tim Craig, Chester on 1:34pm Mon 21 Jan 08
Shari Vahl BBC journalist from Radio 4s ‘You and Yours’ who has covered stories about the rise of identity theft and call centre personnel has worked closely with Strathclyde Police Fraud Unit. Strathclyde police have a team of seventy officers dedicated to tackling call centre fraud, by comparison the allocation of resources for the whole of England are derisory.

Shari spoke on this subject at the annual the conference of the North West Fraud Forum in September 2007

The Business Connection in Chester (established 1988) has considerable experience working closely with two of the local blue chip financial services companies on large call centre recruitment campaigns. Over the years, in conjunction with their HR people we have developed rigorous screening processes for the provision of both temporary and permanent staff. Their HR people have visited our offices and through this partnership we have evolved robust standards and procedures. I believe that this practice of working together is an essential element in combating this type of crime, which can often emanate from call centres.

Below is an article I wrote recently which I believe is pertinent to this problem.


RECRUITING CALL CENTRE PERSONNEL SAFELY

Call centres employ hundreds of people and constantly have to recruit new candidates as the rate of attrition can be very high. Consequently they use recruitment agencies to source candidates for both temp to perm and straight permanent positions.

To properly screen and assess candidates, check their CVs, identity, qualifications, the right to work in the UK, references on previous employment etc. takes a great deal of time before they can be even submitted to the client for interview. Adhering to the strict screening criteria can go a long way towards weeding out potential problem candidates but this in-depth process inevitably has a direct affect on the price.

The recruitment industry is unlicensed anyone can set up an agency and run it from their bedroom. In 1988 there were four agencies in Chester - there are now over eighty. Competition for business in this city is fierce as it is elsewhere. Company’s procurement departments know this and understandably will try and negotiate the best/lowest price, but as a consequence the standards are compromised. Low margins will not attract the professional agency, which stick to the strict criteria required. Cheap in this context can be very dear in both money and reputation.

Call centres, or any company that handles sensitive information, should insist on a regular audit of the agencies they use and demand to inspect their procedures. They should also visit their premises and meet with the people who are doing the recruitment for their business.

Failing to adhere to these standards will inevitably expose the call centres to the risk of identity theft fraud and jeopardise their customers’ details.

In 1999 9000 cases of identity fraud were reported in the U.K.
In 2006 it was 80,000




Tim Craig Managing Director The Business Connection 4(0) 1244 350303
Company established 1988 www.tbc-recr



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CBI Representative for the North West Forum Steering Committee
www.northwestfraudfo



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Posted by: Mark, Glasgow on 4:06pm Mon 21 Jan 08
When all the jobs have been outsourced to India and everyone in the UK is on benefit, who are you going to sell your products to? Indians? Just move everything to India including your customer base and save us all the bother!
Posted by: Sheila, Canada on 6:01pm Mon 21 Jan 08
The only "confidence" consumers have in relation to our "ex mutual societies" is of being fleeced by them!

Mr Salmond et al why will you not take on the Westminster Government / Eu Commission re the fleecing of milions of endowment policyholders whose money is now in occupational pensions, investment compensation funds to cover other investment products and in the personal pockets of a few greedy grubby b-st-ards with d-cks!!!!! Is this the free Scotland that we all wnat? NO.
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 6:15pm Mon 21 Jan 08
Surely the priority for Lloyds should be effectively and fairly dealing with Issues of Customer Service at Lloyd's Group rather than who will continue to provide the current third rate service going forward ?

Mr Kane has presided over various issues of import surrounding Lloyds TSB Insurance's mis-selling of PPI (despite, and arguably because of Mr Kane's tenure as Chairman of the ABI), similar abuses of Legal Expenses Insurance Regulations 1990 all of which are ongoing and potentially effect all Lloyds TSB Customers.

As a disabled person i recently contacted Lloyds regarding a complaint and had to submit a DL56 Disability Discrimination Questionnaire to Mr Kane which was simply ignored in breach of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 after all what would a person of Mr Kane's stature have to worry about a disabled person like me taking him to court ?

In Lloyd's "defence" they seem to treat the majority of their staff with the same contempt that they treat their customers, although that is a pretty miserable defence.
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